There is a threshold of demand destruction, Jason. I think the bleeding edge of the smart financial actors are actually on Saxa side and Freeburg side. We should have issued 100 year bonds and zero rates when we had the chance. Ours will play out over six or nine months, but it's going to play out the exact same way.

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