When Should the Team Be Estimating?

When you have a refinement set so estimation can we believe what I've, when I've used it in two spaces right, you can. So the next question here. So this goes back to estimation just a tiny bit and we spent a lot of time on that topic but as refinement and estimation the same meaning are two different ones. So when should the team be doing that estimation? Right, right. Okay, cool. And the planning becomes really, really slick. Makes sense. If you do that. Right, your planning is 20 minutes. It's like, hey, we're going to do this this and this these are the stories with this is the spring goal this is what we