By the end of two thousand 19, there was intense scepticism surrounding these companies. Madorna and instefan bansel were compared to elizabeth holmes. They 're both great sales people, very, very persuasive. Majorna had to pivot away from from drugs because emmer and i was failing there. The fact that they had to pivot the vaccines raised other questions. Who the heck wants to do vaccines? It's an awful business. You don't make them much money, as you suggest. Just so much you can charge. Takes years. And mabe, the pathegan goes away. There are researchers all over this world convinced of their approaches. But