I like the concept of leverage point from donila midos, the main author of the limits to growth report in the seventies. People will have to just get together, reflect on their needs, create new patterns. And i think countries learned from each other, and should. Look what they did in norway, where there just, you know, they have this kind of febate system to pase out heavy and polluting cars. In vienna, they they don't have for profit housing. It's all social housing. How does it work? An we learn from that? So i think now it's just, we will never find the perfect country somewhere, you know

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