On the roll up front as people start to think about their decentralization roadmap I think that there is a lot of natural tendency to draw parallels and lessons from Ethereum. In general I don't think that is usually going to be the right spot on kind of the trade-off spectrum for most of these roll ups because they are very inherently used for a different thing. John: "I think it makes a lot of sense for them to design themselves very differently in reflection of that"

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