Max Smeets is a Senior Researcher at ETH Zurich's Center for Security Studies and Co-Director of Virtual Routes

You can find links and a transcript at www.hearthisidea.com/episodes/smeets

In this episode we talk about:

• The different types of cyber operations that a nation state might launch
• How international norms formed around what kind of cyber attacks are “allowed”
• The challenges that even elite cyber forces face
• What capabilities future AI systems would need to drastically change the space

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