I mean, again, as with time, your tonat diferent ways of looking at a concept that we've been brought up to think of as as as one concept. I don't think there's anything in my up bingi o, example, which would have encouraged me to think in the way you've just describedit is something, something, i wan't say, alien, but it is something which takes a little getting used to.

Yesi this understanding, it it's not, i say, not yet main stream, implying that hopefully one day it will be more. Ma trm, and indeed, i think it will. How many people a 50 years ago had ever heard ofer meditation yoga? These 50 years ago that these activities were, were in a mind mindfulness had not yet become yoga was not yet common. No one had ever heard of zen. Now, mindfulness, yoga, some kind of meditation practice. You know, it's verthese are everyday household words. So our culture has changed a lot. I know that what i'm speaking of is even one step moreiis deeper tan what people normally consider associate with mindfulness or zan or yoga. But it's at these these this understanding zen, mindfulness, yoga and so on, that is now part of our culture, have paved the way for this deeper understanding that i am speaking of. And certainly, if my experience is anything to go by, number of people i've been speaking about these matters for ten or 12 years. The number of people that a ar interested in these matters is just growing expedientially. So i feel that this understanding is beginning to, i think it would be, i wouldn't go so far as to say it was main stream, but it's beginning to filter into the main stream.