12. Derren Brown — Magic, Happiness, and Skepticism
The Michael Shermer Show
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NLP - I'm Not Psychic, but I Don't Like It.
"As a, as a non magician outsider, I don't really want to know how it's done. To me, the mystery is more interesting and fun," he says. "I've hung around magicians for 25 years. I figured out a lot of what they've done or they've told me." Penn and Telle at the moment seem to be very big on knots, never lying to the audience. 'You can only concern yourself with that central swell of response'
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