You may read the manduka and be inspired, but then you will complain, itis not working. The real difference is what nogicata points out. This thing has to be cleared up first in our understanding. Are these things worth having? Why are they not worth having? Remember what i told you is very profound point about freeing your suffering from these limit freeing your another from these limitations. We have made aronther conditional on these things. Notice it hops these things cannot give us bliss. And yet we think these things, in the worldly things, other worldly things, will give us Bliss. So it is not visious certai. We wake as something that happens or