I'm curious, what was it that drew you to Jungian analysis as a way that you really did most of your healing? Because in reading the newsletters you've been putting out, reading your latest book, which has a lot of that. That's clearly been a big and important piece for you. I think my alcoholism that I was not dealing with for decades is more than just wanting to drink. It felt like this archetypal force that I needed to really kind of combat. And I needed to go deep. The Jungian frame really allows you to have that, to be very introspective, to not be as concrete, to kind of dance with the transcendent.

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