"I love everything about this. I remember the robbers cave experiment where like at the end of it, they were like, they pretended the bus had a problem," he says. "What's lovely about it to me is there's so much throwing your hands in the air on Twitter and Facebook and even TikTok." 'We've gotten to bonkers and partisan,' Heineken adds.'This is also a really important way for science to move forward.'

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