Can being "too smart" actually hold you back socially? In this episode of Social Intelligence, AJ Harbinger and Johnny Dzubak sit down with Anne-Laure Le Cunff—founder of Ness Labs and a former Googler turned neuroscience researcher—to explore the psychology of overthinking, social fatigue, and emotional connection for high performers.
If you've ever felt drained after socializing, struggled to connect in unstructured conversations, or defaulted to overanalyzing instead of just vibing, Anne-Laure’s insights will change how you see your brain—and your relationships.
What to Listen For
[00:00:00] Meet Anne-Laure: Neuroscience researcher, entrepreneur, and former Googler
[00:02:01] What inspired Anne-Laure to walk away from Silicon Valley
[00:04:02] The science of mental fitness: training your mind like a muscle
[00:05:42] Why smart people often struggle in social settings
[00:07:50] Overthinking vs. high thinking: what’s the difference?
[00:09:20] Anne-Laure’s framework for emotional granularity
[00:11:03] The hidden impact of unspoken emotions on your connections
[00:12:42] How journaling and reflection sharpen your emotional vocabulary
[00:14:35] Real-time self-awareness: catching yourself before you spiral
[00:16:04] Why smart people default to logic instead of connection—and how to fix it
[00:18:20] The loneliness trap of overperformance
[00:20:03] How Anne-Laure blends neuroscience with self-compassion
[00:22:01] The importance of emotional bandwidth and recovery
[00:24:40] What socially intelligent people do differently after high-effort conversations
[00:27:20] Tools for restoring your energy after social drain
[00:29:00] Why connection doesn’t mean constant performance
[00:31:05] Anne-Laure’s advice for other deep thinkers navigating real relationships
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