Introduction

In the past month, we've watched several major court cases unfold that have illuminated a lot about how race and justice work in the us. But there's also what seems to be a louder and louder chorus suggesting that trials like these will never be able to enact real justice. Derica pernell is one of the leading voices in that chorus. Before he left for parental leave, our host jean denby, called up derika to talk about how she went from side eyeing abolitionists to being a vocal abolitionist herself. I'm i' oi madila chil to day; coatswitch is karen grigsby bates:  This message comes from pere sponsor