Adam: You confess that you've been working on this for 17 years, which is consistent again with this previous episode of Adam. Now Shiani where where a lot of times, again I think unbeknownst to normal people, the idea that peer review takes a long time is just kind of shocking. So I think that 17 years was the paper was rejected. They suggest, I mean 10 years was just work before first submitted. But eventually it got published so it was at some point you presented this paper in an academic workshopYou went to another university from your own, you started his own perhaps but eventually you started sharing this work. And of course the people whose work was challenged by

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