I've also been hearing rumors from certain engineering managers and other leaders in some of those same organizations who are basically saying like 50 percent of my team is at risk. If I maintain these policies to the letter of the law, so maybe I won't. So I think it's a very interesting moment. Look for the same trappings of are people thinking systemically? Are they power literate? Are they paying attention to what's new and old? Are they effectively adapting?

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