Venture capitalists were helpful mostly on building like consumer businesses. One of my investors got me jim mccina who like we wouldn't have done that express groups thing without him period. He befriended the pod and then obviously like sam sam actually slow is have one of the better performing episodes when him and zach wamberg yell at each other yeah i'm much better recording podcast and listening to them it's two hours of meowing at each other so now you've now you've flipped it maybe i'll commit itYeah i'll commit myself to listening to that um  i think for me uh i do have a unique set of experiences building both a health care business that it

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