I mean, there's also, I mean, so much of your work is about how, uh, native people who you know, again, our white European conception is, Oh, lived in partnership with the land. And that these folks were causing wide scale changes to the environment in their own way - not to a smaller degree than we are. Is that a comforting thought or is that a depressing thought to you? Well, I guess it's a, it's a overall it's a comforting thought, um, in the sense that people make, yeah, and people change stuff. And we've always done it. Um, and maybe there was some perfect, egenic world, but

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