Dan Romero and Erik Torenberg talk about what's happening between Bill Ackman and Harvard: they touch on the 10-7 movement and the focus on DEI in universities, the future of education and the challenges of disrupting elite schools, the value of credentials, and more. Moment of Zen is sponsored by Shopify: https://shopify.com/momentofzen for a $1/month trial period.

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Introduction to Bill Ackman

(05:50) Bill Ackman vs. Harvard and MIT

(17:30) On how 10/7 relates to DEI

(26:08) The power of Twitter and social media

(33:46) Curtis vs Chris Rufo

(40:36) The future of education and disrupting universities

(44:52) Disrupting Harvard and Stanford

(51:50) The value of credentials

(56:41) Why higher education is so corrupt

(01:02:25) Wrap

This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at erik@turpentine.co.