"There's this tendency in those tracks to be like, oh, I have to hit this by this age. And if I'm not on that track, I'm not doing the thing I'm supposed to be doing," he says. "I wanted Forbes 30 under 30 more than anything else in the world ... I was so upset when I didn't get it." He thinks a lot of the best chains and biggest changes in life comes out of like a rock bottom type thing.

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