How to Deal With Shame

"I always felt like the underdog. I always felt like you know like the kid in Paul's case by I want to say Willa Catherine or you Dora Welty," she says of her former high school drama teacher Sherry Hacker. "You have to be funny for money, honey, money, but money." She also talks about how people use shame as a preemptive way to deal with their own problems.