For me as as I think I'm considered one of the only journalists or maybe the most prominent one who was writing for a lot of legacy media publications that tend to be left leaning but I was writing from a very much um sort of contrarian viewpoint not purposefully. Most people want to be in a certain tribe and their default is like in group out group so I spend a lot of time writing about this and digging into this in my book that I'm working on about this. It's it's incredibly fascinating to me you know what I know about both of you guys I think we're in the same we are in our own little case it's like the Venn diagramWe're like this

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