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The 2022 Holberg Debate on Ukraine, Russia, China and the West.

Holberg Prize Talks

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The Ukrainians Are Not the Background, John.

The Russian army was less competent than he thought, and as a matter of fact, substantially less competent than most of us thought. There is no way that Ukraine is going to invade Russia. And finally, the Russians considered an existential threat with Ukraine. I mean, that's pure fantasy land. If they considered their neighbors to be existential threats, they're going to be the one invasion off to the other. No one has ever thought in those particular terms.

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