The Importance of Having a Design Background

At that time, like UX was kind of new. And I feel like probably in terms of the spectrum of people who are coming to it, you were probably one of the more experienced. So they really wanted to see a more robust experience working on the on the web. Yeah. It's interesting to me because, you know, as he says, at that time,like UX waskind of new. But we're going to talk about some of those same things later this week and get into what led him to start his own company.