David Perry: You've had these sort of, you know, in Zen, called Kencho moments. These big awakenings where even your sense of self did fall away. But then it seems to come back and reconstitute itself in a more durable form. Do you think that as you matured in your Zen practice, you were better able to take those experiences and integrate them and live them? Or was there something about the depth of that other experience that was deeper and more final? That's a great question. I think the answer is both. The container was being expanded and made healthier through my training. It allowed for something deeper to happen.