"i'm so frustrated by the degree to which a lot of this, this, like, transportation technology is focused around the automobile," he says. "I think that when you add more of these digital technologies, more of this internet connectedness, into so many of the products that we rely on every day ... i think at the same time, you not only build in security vulnerabilities, but also increase the risk." He adds: "Washing machines used to last for 30, forty years. Refrigerators, freezers, um, they do not".

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