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Poker is a game of incomplete information. We don't know what our opponents have. Sometimes it can be hard to obey that best strategy. Your emotions can get in the way and your rationality can suffer thereby. Maria Conoco got her PhD in psychology at Columbia University starting with Walter Mitchell, who was very famous for the marshmallow test. She managed to convince Eric Seidel, one of the world's leading poker players, to coach her so she could become good enough to play in the World Series of Poker. Not only did she appear in the world series, she's won hundreds of thousands of dollars playing poker. The Biggest Bluff: How I Learn to Pay Attention, Master

The best chess and Go players in the world aren’t human beings any more; they’re artificially-intelligent computer programs. But the best poker players are still humans. Poker is a laboratory for understanding how rationality works in real-world situations: it features stochastic events, incomplete information, Bayesian updating, game theory, reading other people, a battle between emotions and reason, and real-world stakes. Maria Konnikova started in psychology, turned to writing, and then took up professional-level poker, and has learned a lot along the way about the challenges of being rational. We talk about what games like poker can teach us about thinking and human psychology.

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Maria Konnikova received her Ph.D. in psychology from Columbia University. She is currently a contributing writer for The New Yorker. She is the author of two bestselling books, The Confidence Game and Mastermind: How to Think Like Sherlock Holmes. Among her awards are the 2019 Excellence in Science Journalism Award from the Society of Personality and Social Psychology. She is a successful tournament poker player and Ambassador for PokerStars. She is the host of The Grift podcast. Her new book is The Biggest Bluff: How I Learned to Pay Attention, Master Myself, and Win.