i kirk strosse sites in his book on suicidality years back, where he talked about something like forty to 50 % of the people surveyed, at some point in their life experienced such a level of just hopelessness that they seriously considered ending their own life. And i have literally sat with clients on a bench in a public place and just said, you know, leaned over and said, you don't like look into these people's faces, you know? One two, one two, oneTwo, that one. I mean, alcoholism and heroine o diction check chepad there. They're useful when and where they're useful yet.

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