I'm fine with a theoretical account of what it is that makes people have a good life and Be happy and whatever flourish even if that includes a very subjective notion of value. My objection really was one about whether or not we can say that somebody is object objectively It's a good value or a good desire or not. And I've always separated those two Right you could be an objective is about one and it's a bit different about the other. So I take that as a separate question then from what values one ought to have  and Yeah, and well particularly if I mean you could ask the what values ought one to have from two different perspectives You could ask it from the point of

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