The Positive Churn in Pepland

Carlton: There's a lot of, I don't want to say churn because that would be negative. It's actually positive churn in pepland about solving individual parts of the problem. They learned their lesson 10 years ago when they tried to do some big bang effort and it got rejected. And like Brett Cannon's doing a lot of work on pups to take really tiny, allegedly non controversial things, get them encoded into that universe and then everyone complaints.