Introduction

This podcast is completely ad free and only possible through listener's support. Please visit patrion do com slash interdependence and subscribe, where you'll get access to our most recent conversations as well as an archive of full length past episodes. Hi everyone. This is holly herndon am at dry hurst. Where are you joining us from? I'm here in los angeles, which is nice to have a little bit of a change for once in a while. Yes, that's autume d we're in snowy berlin. Exactly. The novelty cold, obvestly, i'm actually feeling the snow. It's always, i don't know, the first