Effects of Hormonal Contraceptives on Women and the Link to Depression

In this episode, we speak with Raw Egg Nationalist about the premise of his upcoming book "Liberalism and the Death of Masculinity." He discusses how liberal democracy fails to satisfy men's innate desire for distinction and greatness (megalothymia).

Raw Egg argues that liberalism combined with environmental pollution and unhealthy lifestyles has created a "perfect storm" causing plummeting testosterone levels and the decline of traditional masculinity. He explains how chemicals like BPA mimic estrogen and are implicated in testosterone decline.

We cover simple steps men and women can take to improve hormonal health, including avoiding plastics, personal care products with chemicals, and adopting diets and lifestyles that mitigate pollution. Raw Egg argues testosterone decline will have biological and social impacts, and that preserving masculinity is about more than just aggression.

Overall an urgent wake-up call about the threats modern society poses to masculinity on multiple fronts.

Raw Egg Nationalist: [00:00:00] There's a new study that shows that or that suggests that women who take the combined hormonal contraceptive pill, they actually suffer shrinkage in particular regions of their brain. Yeah, it's, it's quite a shocking study that's just come out.

Yeah, wow. Question,

Simone Collins: of those who had taken, women who had taken hormonal contraceptives and then stopped, did they show signs of

Raw Egg Nationalist: recovery?

Yes, they did. So there was no difference in there. So, so it looks like it might be reversible. But then there are other studies. There are other studies. There was a study of hormonal contraceptive use and its relationship to depression recently. And it showed that If you started taking hormonal contraceptive as a teenager, you would, and then went to, and then, and then stopped taking it, you would always have a massively increased risk of depression as a girl.

Whereas if you, if you're a, an adult woman and you go on it, and then you come off, your [00:01:00] rate of depression falls back to the norm. So that suggests that there is clearly some developmental function or developmental process that is affected in some way by taking a hormonal contraceptive as a teenager rather than as an adult.

Would you like to know more?

Simone Collins: Hi everyone. Welcome back to base camp and a very special episode of it at that because we are joined by raw egg nationalists who I'm so excited to meet.

We're meeting him because he's also speaking at the natalism conference that we're going to go to in Austin this December. But we'd been very familiar with his work before. So yay, we haven't used to talk with him. If you don't know rag nationalist he is an anonymous. Twitter user with some really fun content.

It's, it's, his Twitter username is actually baby gravy nine, but he goes under raw egg nationalist. You won't miss him. Plus he's written four books. All part of the raw egg nationalist present presents series on Amazon, but the most famous one is probably raw [00:02:00] egg nationalism. In theory and practice.

Don't you think so? But the

Malcolm Collins: next book is going to be different and that's what we're going to be talking about today. So tell us a little bit about this upcoming book and what it's on.

Raw Egg Nationalist: Well, it's a pleasure to be speaking with you both. This is, I've been really been looking forward to this. So, I wrote a book.

My last book was called the Eggs Benedict Option, and that was my most detailed work to date about Health and nutrition. I talked about basically about the global plan for a, or the plan for a global plant based diet and, and the health and political ramifications of that. So, I'm kind of, I'm following on from that and I'm, I'm writing in the same vein as, as, as sort of all of the other books that I've written, the, the main things that I focus on.

But the, the book is going to be called The Last Men, Liberalism and the Decline of Mas or actually Liberalism and the Death of Masculinity, rather. And it's about, well, it's about, it's about a lot of different [00:03:00] topics that are, that are very germane to our, to our interests, our shared interests, to this natalism conference that we're going to, that we're both going to be, or that we're all rather going to be attending.

It starts with a, it starts with a, a reinterpretation of Francis Fukuyama and his end of history thesis. And there's... There's something very interesting. I mean, Fukuyama is a, is a thinker who is, he's, he's caricatured, he's straw manned, you know, people see him as the epitome of liberal hubris, and, you know, he's somebody who, who supposedly believed that liberalism was the end stage of history in a very uncomplicated way, and, and, you know, an, an un nuanced way, but actually when you read, when you go back and read The End of History, what you notice first, or what I notice, what I, I, I came to my attention was the fact that actually the book is called The End of History And The Last Man Oh, and the, and The Last Man Bit is very, very [00:04:00] important.

That's the final quarter of the book, and it's actually probably, it's a, it's an absolutely devastating critique of liberal democracy. of the shallowness of liberal democracy and the fact that it will basically never be able to satisfy certain of man's very, very fundamental wants and needs, including what the Greeks called megalothymia, which is the desire for distinction.

So, men desire distinction. Men desire to be better than one another. A man desires to be better than his peers. You know, to stand head and shoulders above, above the rest of the competition. And that's something Fukuyama says. Look, liberalism is predicated on this thing called isothymia, which means that everybody is equal.

It's, you know, it's a desire for equality. So, liberalism can satisfy that aspect of our personality, this desire. to, to be recognized at least as equals with our [00:05:00] fellow men, but it can't do anything to provide us with a satisfying output for the desire, actually, to seek distinction.

Malcolm Collins: I, I this is the term, the term here is megalothymia.

Raw Egg Nationalist: Yeah, megalothymia is what liberalism can't satisfy.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, well I also like this term in, in relation to the manosphere, because it sounds to me like a very good mirror for hypergamy in which we often talk about females having hypergamy, and I absolutely do believe that males have megalothymia. That's it.

Innate desire to be better than other men, and you're right, it is not something that is provided for or, or lauded within this system.

Raw Egg Nationalist: Well, what's, but what's, I mean, what's interesting, of course, about this is that these are Greek terms, you know. Two, two, two and a half thousand years ago, the Greeks recognized, the Greeks had a better understanding of, I would say, individual psychology in many respects.

and the kind of [00:06:00] motivating factors that, that drive people to do particular things as human beings in a social setting. Well, Fukuyama says, look liberalism is always going to have this massive, massive blind spot. It's not going to be able to satisfy peop ma ma man's, and I think he means particularly men's, desire for distinction.

Well, I think that... I start from, I start and I say, look, this is actually really what Fukuyama is getting at. You know, he's not talking about the fact that liberalism is the best system in the world. And, you know, we've, we've reached the end point of history. He's actually saying we've reached this very difficult impasse where we've got a system that we probably.

Kind of can't improve on really in certain respects and we're probably not going to get away from but it's also deeply unsatisfying But there's a there's a deeper aspect to it There's there's a there's a sense in which what Fukuyama is actually saying isn't pessimistic enough because the [00:07:00] the the megalithymia thing the the failure to satisfy man's Man's desires for distinction and, and self and sort of, projecting himself out into the world has a biological aspect to it too under liberalism.

And this is where all of the stuff that I talk about, about endocrine disruptors, about unhealthy lifestyles comes in, testosterone decline in particular. And so I take, I tell, I'm going to take megalithymia, the decline of megalithymia in liberal society as a proxy for, or a, or a as kind of code for testosterone decline and biological decline.

And I'm going to look at how not only on an ideological level is liberalism totally unsatisfying for men, but also on a biological level. Modern life is totally sapping man of his vitality. And yeah, so that's the basic premise of the book is that extending Fukuyama to a biological level. I want to

Malcolm Collins: I want to [00:08:00] pull out an idea that you had here.

We're And this is something that people may not know. So something people will know, likely either of our audience is going to know this, is that endocrine disruptors appear to be changing the way gender is being expressed, specifically feminizing both male bodies and behavior. And we are dealing with a quick drop in testosterone what is it?

30 percent over the past 20 years? Like insane. Yeah, huge amount. Yeah. And what's interesting is that I think that we. Often, when we talk about this, when people like you or I talk about this, we often talk about it in terms of environmental, like, pollutants that could be increasing this, but a really important thing about testosterone in men is that it will drop when a man feels disempowered.

So, when you are homeless or in other ways disempowered, your testosterone will drop pretty dramatically, which can have physiological and behavioral impacts. And it sounds almost like you're saying here is that you think that this disempowerment [00:09:00] may actually be a big reason of why male testosterone is dropping, because they do not feel they can participate in these games they were built for.

Raw Egg Nationalist: Yeah, yeah, I think yeah, that's absolutely, that is absolutely a central, a central part of my argument, I think. I think it's what we've done really is we've entered the perfect storm, really, so we've got all these social factors that are... incredibly poisonous, really, for, for traditional expressions of masculinity.

There are economic factors, physical factors, the fact that people are, you know, record obesity, people are less active than they were, and then you've also got this terrible, terrible environmental pollution crisis. And, and one of the things, one of the things that I try to do is I... I try to draw people's attention to the environmental pollution because it's not received a great deal of it's certainly not it's certainly not had as much of a spotlight as [00:10:00] maybe these other factors in in testosterone decline And that was one of the things I think that the tucker carlson documentary the end of men did very well was it?

It, you know, put this, put the these, these terrible, terrible chemicals and their terrible effects on, on male and female bodies right in the spotlight in a way that was, that was actually unavoidable. You couldn't not look at it. And and that's, and so that's, that's really what I'm trying to do.

I'm trying to, I'm trying to give a, as close to a complete picture, I suppose, of, of all the reasons why masculinity is, is really on the wane. And and and it is and it is and I marshal all sorts of scientific studies because there's a huge literature on testosterone decline and on the various different factors that sort of weigh in on testosterone decline.

And it's what it but what it really needs, I think, is it needs, it needs a compelling synthesis, and that's what I'm trying to do.

Malcolm Collins: One of the things that we were actually inspired to do after our first [00:11:00] conversation with you, and I want to let our fans in case any of them are interested in some way getting involved in this, is, is see what we can do to actually get some of these chemicals regulated in the UK. Because you know, we've been making a point of meeting more conservative UK politicians and I think that this is actually a, a very doable thing.

It's just not the thing that I think a lot of conservatives have in their evoked set, which is, I should write an environmental policy bill. But yeah, yeah. So, when you put together A book like this, and you are giving advice to the individual. What advice do you give the individual man today, in today's society?

Or woman today, who's either, and then in women, I guess it's in two stages. Either as a partner to somebody, or somebody looking for a

Raw Egg Nationalist: partner. Yeah, there's a lot of, although the problem is dreadful, and it really is. I mean, we're facing an unprecedented crisis, I think. There are simple, meaningful things that you can do to improve your hormonal health.

anD [00:12:00] your, and your health more generally and one of the, one of the best things that you can do is to reduce your reliance on plastics. So a huge number of these, these endocrine disrupting chemicals, BPA, bisphenol A, phthalates, PFAS, per and polyfluoroalkyl substances, they're all used in the manufacture of plastics and grease proof packaging.

food packaging and, and things like that. So if you can reduce your reliance on, and in personal care products as well, this is a big thing for women, but also for men to a lesser extent, if you can reduce your reliance on products that contain these chemicals, you can significantly reduce the levels of the chemicals in your body.

So there was a, I've talked, I mean, I talk regularly on Twitter about particular studies and, you know, what they show about exposure and mitigation of. Of these chemicals and there was a study that showed that the average sort of college age girl in the u. s Will use at least eight personal care [00:13:00] products a day that contain endocrine known endocrine disrupting chemicals Some will use as many as 20 a day Every day.

Wow. So if you stop, well, I was just gonna say, if you, and then there's another study that shows that if you stop using these chemi, if you stop using these products, if you just discontinue using personal care products, you can reduce levels of particular chemicals in your body by up to 50% within a matter of a few weeks.

And that's a ma, that's a massive dec decline. That's a massive massive intervention. Massively meaningful intervention. So there are very simple things you can do. Simone,

Malcolm Collins: do you want to go over the fireman study here? Because I thought that was really powerful in endocrine

Simone Collins: dysregulation. Yeah. I don't know if you've, you've already seen this, but I know when a woman's about to be pregnant, like we're really concerned about basically everything the baby's absorbing because both male and female fetuses, babies are exposed to.

You know, all this while they're gestating and it has a pretty significant impact on their development, as you know, so I keep thinking like, okay, well, how [00:14:00] can parents, especially mothers who are about to be pregnant, avoid having really high concentrations of this sort of accumulated pollution in their body before they become pregnant.

And the one thing that I found that was compelling was a study of firemen in Australia where they measured the concentration of endocrine disrupting chemicals in their blood. Before and then after several sessions of donating plasma and they found that it did significantly reduce it. So it seems like one thing you can do is what you pointed out, which is just try to eliminate as much as you can.

And you actually, you know, because we're exposed to so much, like anything could be a big deal. But then another one is like eliminate it and to get out stuff that's been accumulating. donate plasma. So it seems like an interesting thing to do. I wish I knew that before I got pregnant for the first time.

Raw Egg Nationalist: I've, I've, I've seen that. I've seen that study. That's a very interesting study. Then another thing that you can do. If you actually want to try and get rid of some of the stuff that's in your blood the or in your body rather because the problem is that these endocrine disruptors are largely[00:15:00] they're lipophilic molecules.

So they, they go into, well, first of all, they can pass through fats through, through the sort of fats in your tissues so they can get through your skin, but then they accumulate in your fat tissues. They make you produce more fat, and then they accumulate in the fat tissues. So you have to find some way to get them out.

Well, one way is to sauna as well. Saunas have been, have been shown, yeah, to reduce. So sweating, sweating, and I think in fact they, there was a study where it showed that if you do a calorie restricted diet and exercise that makes you sweat heavily, you can. Shed quite significant quantities of these chemicals from the fat tissue in your body.

Malcolm Collins: But hold on, I've got a question here because I actually don't know this one, but I just realized this could cause a problem for a guy who's trying to get somebody pregnant. I know that hot tubs absolutely destroy your sperm count for really long periods of time, like six months. Does sauna's do the same thing?

Raw Egg Nationalist: Yeah, I think I think it's I think it's yeah, I mean it's [00:16:00] hot I mean if your if your testicles are getting very hot

Simone Collins: what andrew guberman does I think I heard him say this he goes in with an ice pack.

Raw Egg Nationalist: Yeah, you can do that. Oh,

Malcolm Collins: he does Okay, smart plan. Yeah You can have it all Have it all. Actually this this does bring me to something that I think is important.

Which is a lot of guys I know, care about this stuff. Like when I, when I talk to like right leaning young guys, I see this. But the problem is, is that this information is actually dramatically less relevant to adult males than it is to adult females. This is information because if you're looking at who's going to be most impacted by endocrine disruptors, it's men during their sexual development.

And that means either in utero or you know, really up to the age of, let's say until they, they find a long term partner. So let's say like 21, 22. And so if you are a guy and you're married and you're trying to have kids, you can actually blunt a lot of the endocrine disruptors. Like with Simone and I this morning when we were at some, [00:17:00] you know, the clerk shoves a receipt in our face and I have to snatch it from without her touching it because for me, this is a, Fairly trivial effect compared to her, who's a pregnant woman right now, right?

And I just think that that's important to remember, is that a lot of guys take their own and that's enough, and that's really unfortunately, it would be easier if that were true.

Raw Egg Nationalist: Yeah, for sure. For sure. I mean, it's the thing about so many of these chemicals is that they are oestrogenic in particular.

So they mimic the effects of the well, we call it the female hormone for convenience, but Estrogen is important in the male body as well. And testosterone is important in the female body as well. You need to remember this. So a man who has a deficit of estrogen in his body will suffer all sorts of terrible problems, including things like fertility problems and erectile dysfunction.

Estrogen has an important role in erectile function, which most men probably wouldn't realize. So, [00:18:00] but the thing is that the vast majority of these chemicals, as I say, they, they mimic the effects of estrogen. Now, a woman having too much estrogen in her body, that's bad too. And it can promote cancers and infertility and all sorts of other stuff.

But for men, For develop it for the developing male body. It is absolutely fatal. It is absolutely fatal. And the unfortunate thing is that now we are bathing in these estrogenic chemicals. They are everywhere. We've showed, we've shown that they're in the placenta, that they're in cord blood from the placenta, that they cross the placental barrier.

They've been shown to be, they've, they've done studies of, of womb tissue that show, you know, the presence of, of these endocrine disrupting chemicals within the actual womb itself in the amniotic fluid. So. I mean, yeah, any, anything that you can do to re to mitigate your exposure to these chemicals is good.

Is, is, is, is, is fantastic. And, but, but at the same time, you have to remember that actually, unfortunately, you can't totally [00:19:00] avoid exposure. That's the, that's the, that's the, that's the black pill as it were about these things, is that they are everywhere. Well, this

Malcolm Collins: is something, something I want to, I want to one, touch on this really quickly, this black pill, which is something that we always tell people is, is, is as things change, because human biology is changing and human fertility is changing many technologies that religious groups historically could just say, well, we won't touch that and it won't have any effect on our groups.

Vitality and ability to thrive. Now they're making much bigger sacrifices than they were historically. And of course the technology I'm thinking most of is IVF. I think a lot of groups that are eshuing IVF are really shooting themselves in the foot. And it, it, it actually kind of grosses me out when I see influencers, especially in the trad cast space that I know.

Under the table are actually using IVF to get pregnant and they will like shame IVF because it gets them clout in their communities and their communities don't realize how hard it is for [00:20:00] somebody to get pregnant without these technologies these days

Raw Egg Nationalist: Yeah, I mean i'm absolutely not a technophobe. I mean i'd like to i'd like to think that There are natural ways that we can protect ourselves.

There are simple ways that we can protect ourselves, you know Exercising will protect you to a degree against the effect of and the effects of endocrine disruptors. So I'm going to do a long post, I think, on Twitter tomorrow because I've dug up quite a few studies that show that actually the effects of exercise significantly mitigate some of the, the nastier effects of endocrine disruptors.

But it may very well be the case that actually this isn't a problem that we can solve on a societal level without the creation of new technology. I think it is, it is, It is a civilizational, it is a species level catastrophe that's taking place. Oh yeah. And, and so yeah, I mean, we, I don't think that any option should be off the table.

Malcolm Collins: Another thing I want to touch on here from the last, last bit of [00:21:00] conversation is When we talk about testosterone rates falling in things like women, I think a lot of guys are not aware of the psychological effects that's going to have in terms of a population. Because, you know, when you're talking about like changes this big, you're talking about an average difference in behavior patterns, which can be pretty big at the societal level.

So I'll just go over the few that I remember off the top of my head, and you can elaborate more if you can think of some, but I know specifically in women if you have lower testosterone rates, that's going to lower aggression, particularly sexual aggression and sexual appetite is my memory.

Like the biggest impact testosterone has in women is large, like, like ordered logical thinking and sexual appetite. And I typically think if you're like, what does the mind of your average, extremely high testosterone woman look like? I think Ayla is almost the perfect picture of what a woman looks like when she's exposed to.

And I don't want to say too much testosterone, but a very large amount of testosterone. And so I think if you're trying to contrast, like, what does a woman look like with extra testosterone versus what does one look like [00:22:00] with a smaller amount of testosterone, she's a good model of extra testosterone.

Raw Egg Nationalist: Well, I I did a. I did a tweet yesterday or the day before, I think it was, about there's a new study that shows that or that suggests that women who take the combined hormonal contraceptive pill, they actually suffer shrinkage in particular regions of their brain. Yeah, it's, it's quite a shocking study that's just come out.

Yeah, wow. So, women, women who take the combined hormonal pill suffer shrinkage of, I forget the name of the region, but it's a region that's associated with fear and emotional processing. And, and what they did was they, they did these MRI scans of, of the brains of women who had never taken hormonal contraceptive, of women who were, of women who had but weren't, of women who were, who were taking it, and then of men, and they showed that this very particular region in the brains of women who, [00:23:00] who were currently taking it was Much thinner than, than it should be and was in the, in all of the other, all of the other cases.

And so that, I mean, that potentially, I mean, all they're doing is they're showing, look, this region of the brain is, is thinner, but actually the potential implications. I mean, you can imagine. And we all, we all have, we all have anecdotes. We all have personal experience or a lot of us will have personal experience of friends, girlfriends who have taken.

the hormonal contraceptive pill and whose, whose behavior has changed significantly either when they've gone on it or when they've come off it. And that is, that is an oestrogenic, that's an oestrogenic chemical. Question,

Simone Collins: of those who had taken, women who had taken hormonal contraceptives and then stopped, did they show signs of

Raw Egg Nationalist: recovery?

Yes, they did. So there was no difference in there. So, so it looks like it might be reversible. But then there are other studies. There are other studies. There was a study of hormonal contraceptive use and [00:24:00] its relationship to depression recently. And it showed that if you... If you started taking hormonal contraceptive as a teenager, you would, and then went to, and then, and then stopped taking it, you would always have a massively increased risk of depression as a girl.

Whereas if you, if you're a, an adult woman and you go on it, and then you come off, your rate of depression falls back to the norm. So that suggests that there is clearly some developmental function or developmental process that is affected in some way by taking a hormonal contraceptive as a teenager rather than as an adult.

Malcolm Collins: I really need to find that study. I think that this is going to be one of those studies I quote all the time now.

Simone Collins: Yeah. I it's, it's, it's very interesting because of course, as a default, it's just something you do, like even as a teenager, even as someone who's not sexually active, you just do it.

And it's, [00:25:00] that's really interesting. But

Malcolm Collins: it's just depression in our society today, but of course it can't be anything that psychologists are telling you to do because psychologists are the priest cast. They they do no wrong, right? Well,

Simone Collins: okay. So here's a question that I also wanted to ask. We were at a retreat this weekend and we were talking about endocrine disruptors with a lot of people.

And this is something that actually comes up a lot when we talk about it. You know, we're talking about dropping testosterone, you know, that like, you know, from the tide studies, you know, men, Young boys being born kind of a little bit less like boys, you know, they have smaller no genital distance They have less male dimorphic play when they're kids And you know, we say this to people and a response that we get not uncommonly is why is that a bad thing?

And I'd love for you to comment on like, how do you answer people when they, when they say that, you know, they're like, well, you know, who cares, you know, is it, is it so bad if there's less testosterone or less traditionally male behavior or if men [00:26:00] are less mess, less dimorphic?

Raw Egg Nationalist: Well, well, I mean, I, but there are, there are a number of different ways to approach this.

I think the first, the first, the first thing I would probably say is, look, this is a. Let's put the social stuff to one side. Let's, let's put aside, you know, the way that men behave. This is a biological problem. Testosterone is an index of, of, of male fertility of male health, right? Reproductive health.

If testosterone levels are declining, men are less fertile. It's going to be harder for people to have children and it might even. As we're seeing now it might even get so bad that actually within a couple of decades men might not be able to To produce any sperm whatsoever the median man according to the predictions will produce zero sperm I mean, that's a that's a that's an extrapolation of of observed trends.

And that is, you know, if you are producing less testosterone, your sperm quality and quantity will decline. So there's [00:27:00] that, you, you know, there's no getting away from that. The, the social thing of course, is it depends on the kind of society that you want to create. Right. And if you are the kind of person who, who in a kind of misguided but well meaning way wants, you know, for there to be no conflict within, within civilization, no conflict among people, no, you know, you want everyone to be friends, then you might think, oh yeah, no testosterone decline, that's great because testosterone is the aggressive hormone, isn't it?

Testosterone, it's testosterone that makes men nasty, it's testosterone that makes men fight and murder and rape and, and, and do all the things that are regressive and that we don't want in a modern liberal society. But that's a fundamental misunderstanding. Standing of what testosterone is and what it does.

And testosterone doesn't. Estrogen makes men aggressive and there are plenty, there are plenty of studies that show that actually it's an, it's a deficit of testosterone and an imbalance of [00:28:00] estrogen that makes men aggressive. So that's so interesting. Well, there's a wonderful study that I absolutely love to quote, and I quote it as much as I can.

They did a they did a study on male macaques, where they fed them soy isoflavones. Oh, wow. Soy isoflavones are oestrogenic, so they're phyto oestrogens, so they're naturally occurring plant. And what they discovered was that if you feed male macaques soy isoflavones, they basically become incels. They become passive aggressive incels.

So they observed that male macaques, this was a study I think from 2004, male macaques who consume or were fed significant quantities of soy isoflavones became more aggressive and simultaneously more submissive. So they isolated themselves from the fellow members of their troop. tHey, they behaved in a submissive way, but were also more aggressive.[00:29:00]

So it's like. I mean, I, I mean, I it actually got, that study actually got picked up by Joe Rogan as well. And he said, I think this explains a lot about, you know, like modern, modern sort of soy boy men.

Malcolm Collins: It's the, it's the personality type that I always imagine when I think of the stereotypical like vegan.

Raw Egg Nationalist: Yeah. Yes, yeah, exactly. It's, it's, avoids, avoids direct head on confrontation with other men or with other people, but does sneaky nasty things when they can get away with it. It's, so I mean, it's, it's the, I think that one thing that actually really needs to change, and this is something that I'm trying to do, in my own small way, is to educate people about the...

The nature of testosterone, that it isn't just the, it's not the aggressive hormone. Testosterone is involved in, I mean, there are all sorts of studies that show that men with more testosterone are more generous, that men with more testosterone are more faithful to their partners. Oh

Simone Collins: my, this is so crazy because I've not heard this and I've not seen this and I didn't even know about the estrogen thing and [00:30:00] that's.

Malcolm Collins: That's pretty good. You better dig out on this. I need to clearly dig in on this, yeah. Educate men on the dangers of interacting with vegetarians. So, I'm joking. This has been fantastic and we would love to have you back on. So, thank you so much and, and I actually learned a lot from this. Yes, me.

Like, I knew, I know enough about this subject to know that you really know your stuff on this. But not enough to know all of the studies that you're mentioning here, so I am really excited to dig further. And yeah, we'd love to have you back, and where should we point people who enjoyed this conversation?

Raw Egg Nationalist: So, follow me on Twitter, I'm babygravy9. And you can I have raweggnationalist. com, which also will point you in the direction of all of my writing and mansworldmag. online, so I have an online magazine, men's magazine, a bit like a sort of revived Playboy so go there too, but, but Twitter is, Twitter is the main place.

I also have a substack now as well, raweggnationalist. substack. com, where I'm regularly putting [00:31:00] out all sorts of content, essays, analysis of new scientific studies. That sort of stuff and I'm talking about testosterone and estrogen also posting excerpts from my new book as well. So, spectacular,

Simone Collins: broad nationalists.

You rock. Thank

Raw Egg Nationalist: you so much. It was a pleasure. Thank you.

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