For a period of time there was this gray market you know it's an interesting I mean it always feels like overhead and bloat right. way of testing product market fit is eliminating all middle managers and seeing what happens that if it keeps goingYeah but for me it was great because I could like recruit people on and we could go build stuff how long was that period of time I think it was maybe actually I remember it was at least a couple quarters where it kind of felt like that.

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