How Do You See the State of American Democracy?

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i'm an incorrigible optimist by nature, and i always want to look at the brighter side of the prope. I still believe american democracy is strong enough to survive this challenge, but the challenge is much tougher than i thought. Practically a country needs something in the middle, because it's no longer eno debating in o small issues. You know, aboult jus e now, taxes higher. This is about eno preserving the country. That's about saving the country from craziness that is threatening from both sides. And i'm afraid that's my biggest tin o nightmare, for we will see donald tramp running against progresson. Because that's what

Garry Kasparov, the former World Chess Champion, is the founder of the Renew Democracy Institute and chairperson of the Human Rights Foundation. He is a member of the Persuasion's Board of Advisors.

In this week’s conversation, Garry Kasparov and Yascha Mounk discuss how he came to oppose the Soviet regime, why he quickly recognized the dangers posed by Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump, and what to make of illiberal tendencies on the left.

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