Second- and first-person verification in science

How can we think differently about what AI means?

Today's guest, Michael Garfield, is somebody I’ve learned a lot from over the years—primarily through his tireless work with the podcast formerly known as Future Fossils—now Humans On The Loop—but also through his own writings on life, the universe, and everything. One thing we bonded over early on was media ecology, specifically how reality was being shaped by fast-evolving digital tools like AI and XR. He identified key zones of concern, and mapped possible responses, for example, to the ongoing development of deepfakes and other synthetic media.

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We’ve stayed in intermittent dialogue about all this over the past few years, and with the advent of OpenAI’s Atlas browser—which I’m still horrified by—it seemed like the right time for us to properly chop up on the pod, and I was lucky to turn the proverbial tables on him and put him in the guest seat.

BIO: Artist, author, and philosopher Michael Garfield lives to foster the imagination we need in our age of exponential weirdness—and inspire the curiosity and play required to thrive in it. Drawing on over twenty years of independent scholarship and volcanic creativity, he wields a singular perspective on the past and future, a renowned capacity for synthesis, and a global network of top-tier collaborators.

Michael is the Founder of Humans On The Loop (an award-winning transdisciplinary series exploring wisdom in the age of exponential technologies) and the Communications Director for The AI Capabilities and Alignment Consensus Project (an international partnership to foster sane AI discourse between academia and the tech sector supported by The Survival and Flourishing Fund). His nonlinear career has woven through years of research, creative, and community development at The Santa Fe Institute, The Mozilla Internet Ecosystem program, The Long Now Foundation, and The Integral Institute, and secured grants and fellowships from Cosmos Institute, O’Shaughnessy Ventures, and the ASU Center for Science and The Imagination. An internationally-charting science communicator and experimental musician, a prolific artist and writer, and a public speaker who has inspired audiences everywhere from The Commonwealth Bank of Australia Innovation Lab and Cynefin to The Chapel of Sacred Mirrors and Boom Festival, his work threads insights from complex systems science with years of experience at the frothy edge of creative technology and consciousness research. As a teacher and essayist, he has been featured at Aeon Magazine, HPlus Magazine, Reality Sandwich, Mutations, Weirdosphere, and The School of Wise Innovation.

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