There is a very interesting finding. If you ask people, has violent crime gone up or down? Like every year people say it's gone up. And for at least a good chunk of that time, it's actually going down. So people are miscalibrated in at least some specific ways. But yeah, if you do it like that, like with something that actually can be objectively measured. Now that doesn't mean you don't know what the causes of violent crime increasing or decreasing is. It's not necessarily that people have gotten more or less moral. That isn't something that's objective. You can measure it. Then you can fight about the causes of it and how to

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