In the correlation case, we don't have a strong reason to think that if you were to clap your hands an additional number of times, it would have made the noise. So I wondered if this was part of your counterfactual, your love of counterfactuals. In the macroscopic world where we have incomplete information, and we have an arrow of time, then we're saying well, given the way that the universe evolves macroscopically, every time you clapyour hands, you hear a noise. That's a perfectly fair thing to attach the words cause and effect to. It's an emergent higher level thing that when you clap my hands,

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