Did

you, did you see yourself already that in that in those early days, the late aighties, as may be, maybe one day running the company? Was that an ambition you had? Or not quite yet. That

was not and an ambition i had. It was not ever even a thought. I thought bob johnson would be there forever. I was very happy with that. And as i started doing more business a deals and in representing the company in that way, i was enjoy in that. Um, i actually ran our magazine division, which i loved a because of the creative side. You know, there was art involved, ind layout and design and editorial. Ah, so i ran that in addition to being general council. So at one point i had so many titles it was, you know, a little ridiculous, cause i was doing the legal work and business things. Um, and so, you know, my goal at that point was to get out of the legal work. He ought to be honest. And so i asked boba johnson on many occasions, could i hire a generalcoun and a, you know, focus on the magazines? And he said, no, no, no. I want you as my lawyer. You know, i don't trust anyone else. And ah, so we went back and forth on that for a couple of years, and then he asked me to be a chief operating officer. And, you know, he had six or seven direct reports. He had never talked about creating a new position, c o o. So he caught me completely by surprise. And i was doubly surprised that he asked me, because i saw myself again as er slash business person, but not as a manager. E. And you know, that was the first time that running the company ever entered my mind. And the only reason it entered my mind is because people started treating me that way. As soon as he me a c o o, the world assumed i was the heir apparent. And from then on out, it just felt like a full steam ahead. Stay

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