There may be universes in which there's nothing. But even that, see, if you define nothing as, I mean, really take everything away, there can't even be the concept of nothing. So again, I feel we're into circular arguments. Maybe explanation just has to stop somewhere. You know, it's Thomas Nagel, a thing called that one thought too many. Like, like, he used ever consciousness, you know, just trying to explain it. It just is.

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