Introduction

Hasu and Jon bring on Ansgar and Caspar from the Ethereum Foundation to discuss the ETH staking endgame. 

Ansgar and Caspar recently published two controversial research posts which included a proposal to change Ethereum’s issuance curve. They are concerned that the current ETH staking economics could lead to nearly 100% of ETH being staked, with much of that in LSTs. They propose reducing issuance and targeting a lower stake rate.

We go deep in this episode on PoS economics, liquid staking, restaking, economic security, centralization concerns, and much more.

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Timestamps:

(00:00) Intro

(00:25) Possible Changes to ETH Staking?  

(00:49) Overview of Current ETH Staking

(16:32) LSTs & Staking Rate Increasing        

(21:36) Nominal vs Real Yield

(23:22) Tax Implications of Staking

(27:57) Staking Demand & External Revenue

(35:33) Stake Ratio Targeting

(36:21) Is 100% Staking Bad?

(40:05) Can ETH LSTs be Money?

(55:24) Would Any Changes Make a Difference?

(01:04:05) Stake Targeting

(01:10:20) Will Targeting Centralize Validators?

(01:22:53) Fiat Money Parallels         

(01:25:16) MEV & Restaking Revenue          

(01:30:52) Electra Proposal to Change Issuance

(01:46:01) Security Budget & Economic Security      

(01:53:40) Validator Set Quality         

(01:55:10) Incentives to Maximize Validator Decentralization

(02:19:00) PoS vs PoW Political Complexity

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Twitter:

Hasu - https://twitter.com/hasufl

Jon Charbonneau - https://twitter.com/jon_charb

Uncommon Core 2.0 - https://twitter.com/UCC2_xyz

Ansgar - https://twitter.com/adietrichs

Caspar - https://twitter.com/casparschwa

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Referenced Materials:

Endgame Staking Economics: A Case for Targeting - https://ethresear.ch/t/endgame-staking-economics-a-case-for-targeting/18751

Electra: Issuance Curve Adjustment Proposal - https://ethereum-magicians.org/t/electra-issuance-curve-adjustment-proposal/18825

Properties of issuance level: consensus incentives and variability across potential reward curves - https://ethresear.ch/t/properties-of-issuance-level-consensus-incentives-and-variability-across-potential-reward-curves/18448

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