Sculpture was made by finding all the shipwrights that had been making ships, but were told by margaret tatcher that they were no longer relevant. This is in a way, a a return to a kind of pre modern idea of how how art could be made and who it was for. It's also become a landmark. If i'm driving up north, o rod properly in the north now, well, i see it. I mean, that was, that was an extraordinary experience making that cas actua. Everything is, i think, an experiment it's a test of what what sculpture can do. You want art to be just there as part of our everyday

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