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The Russians Engaged With Ukraine
In order to make Ukraine real, they engage with Ukraine. And again, for a lot of them they've been already doing this for decades. Giederoyevts took a class in Ukrainian history as a law student in Warsaw. He was engaged with a Galician question in Interwar Poland. It wasn't the first time they thought about Ukraine. In 1952, they published a letter saying, let the blue-yellow flag fly over the ville. The entire time they're doing this, they're also befriending Ukrainian writers. Over the course of the decades, these friendships build up and Ukraine becomes real for them.