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45 / 4.5 with Matt Ingebretson & Raj Desai
Lizzy Cooperman's In Your Hands
Are You the Woman Who Set Herself on Fire?
"I think both are noble pursuits. One is to get off your phone and to clean, right? Like that's more of advancing your personal lot," she says. "As a writer, you know the feeling of when you're like, I'm going to write some stand up ... how often are you actually successful?" She continues: " Continue to advocate for the 45 hours of the phone away."
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