i thought when people didn't know anything, they didn't overestimate their knowledge. But in this case, they know about music and general and and so they have something to reach arou and grab. And again, it's like you, if you're on jimmy kimm alive, like, you could say, i've never heard of them, but that's boring. It's just sort o like wha you were talking about before, a being really honest about, youra, lack of knowledge is not that interesting.