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Tony Schwartz and Kimberly Manns: The Reckoning: Seeing More and Feeling More

Sounds True: Insights at the Edge

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The Heavy Defenders

CNN's Jarrett Bellini asked the pair to talk about how they've dealt with their "heavy defenders" The heavy defender is a part of us that wants to be better than other people, he said. But if I'm better, oh my God, I'm worth a lot, Brinkley says. That's defending from this very vulnerable sense of it's possible I'm not really worth a whole lot,. He asks Kim and Tony: How have you gone through a transformation process around that?

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