You don't want to say that it's a myth that animals have minds, but they're different. Animals very seldom are spontaneous and sort of just pick up something and wander off and do it for you. But the degree of training is staggering. It will take 50 thousand trials to eventually persuade the animal to do what you want to,. because you can't tell it. The more i've read into this area, the more struck i've been by a whole set of observations about what animals can and cannot do. And we know that the crows in particular show some striking convergences with the human mind.

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