Karl Vaters talks with Mike Rubino about his First Reaction to the first chapter of De-sizing the Church, The Danger of Idolizing Outcomes.

Karl and Mike look at:

• The difference between a church that is trending or transforming
• The biggest mistakes churches make regarding metrics
• Why “idolatry” is not too strong a term for how many churches and pastors approach size, growth, and outcomes
• And more.

When we’re obsessed with doing something that Jesus never told us to do we’re always in danger of it becoming an idol. And the weight of that is more than we can bear.

Mike Rubino is the pastor of Cornerstone Bible Church, Port Jefferson Station, on Long island NY, and the founder of the Church Revitalize Center.

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