When times are fat and everyone is just humming along, everything's just working, you can really sell anything. I personally dislike those times as a creative person because they're the least creative moments of my career. And so whenever time slow down and the boat needs a little bit of a kickback,. people call me about, hey, can you get back and see? "I'm like, thank God, even though we're not making as much money right now, I get to try things"

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