Evolving Dynamics of Black Families

In this thought-provoking episode, Malcolm and Simone Collins explore the complex evolution of Black culture in America, examining historical trends, data-driven insights, and controversial perspectives. They discuss the stark changes in marriage rates, family structures, and cultural values within the Black community over the past decades. The conversation delves into the potential influences of music, media, and political ideologies on these shifts.

Key topics include:

* Historical Black family structures and values

* Changes in marriage and birth rates among Black Americans

* The impact of rap music and urban culture on Black identity

* Comparisons between country and rap music themes

* The role of politics and progressive ideologies in shaping modern Black culture

* Challenges faced by conservative Black individuals in dating and social spheres

* The potential for reclaiming traditional Black cultural values

This video aims to spark a nuanced dialogue about the complexities of race, culture, and identity in America.

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Malcolm Collins: Hello, Simone. Today, we are going to be talking about a very controversial topic that originally we had actually had one of our black friends on to talk about with us, but his recording quality wasn't very good. So we're going to raw dog this.

Two white people talking about black culture. With no protection, this is, this is not going to turn out well,

Speaker: Yo, so I'm raw dogging this chick, right? She goes, yo, I'm on birth control. SO now this is Dylan. He just turned two the other day.

Malcolm Collins: But I'm going to share some grass with you. One you've seen before. So the one you've seen before putting on screen here, this is the one that shows that in the United States, the Black American fertility rate is literally the lowest fertility rate of any ethnic group for all individuals in that group with over a 30 percent income.

I mean, the top 70 percent of black earners, if you compare [00:01:00] them with the top 70 percent of earners from any other ethnic group, it is the absolute lowest and by a significant margin. Now somebody could be like, Oh, what about that one little area where the purple line is below the red line? Right? And it's like, well,

that purple line is native born, non Hispanic, other, Asian, multi, which I don't really think of an ethnic group. It's just sort of, it turns out when people are multi ethnic, they have incredibly, incredibly low fertility rates. But that's not the surprising thing! I mean, that is surprising to me, at least.

Yeah, hello. But! It gets worse. So I'm going to quote here in 2012, the U. S. Census Bureau found that African Americans age 35 and older were more likely to be married than white Americans from 1980 until sometime around the 1960s.

Not only did they swap places in the sixties, but in the 1980s, the number of never married African Americans began a staggering climb from about 10 [00:02:00] percent to more than 25 percent by 2010. And by the way, it's gotten way above that in 2020. It's at 48 percent in 2008, it was, it was 44%. Like

Simone Collins: At first it seems shocking, and then you think, wait a second, no, like when you think about older black communities.

The marriage rate is high, like, these are very traditional nuclear families. It's not

Malcolm Collins: just that. In the 1940s, they did a study. Black illegitimacy rates were only 19%, which was lower than the white rates during that period. That also

Simone Collins: makes sense. I just, when you think of 70 percent of

Malcolm Collins: black families have kids outside of wedlock.

Simone Collins: Okay, so we went from less, and now it's 70%.

Malcolm Collins: No, no, I'd like to note here how much less it was in white communities. So right now if you look at white American kids, 28 percent are born out of wedlock. In black communities in the [00:03:00] 1940s it was only 19%.

Simone Collins: Well, so when I, when I think about this, it makes a lot of sense because when I think about historical black communities or anything that I read about influential figures in the space, there's a lot of religion. There's a lot of very traditional views, like it is, it is a more conservative

Speaker 5: Get off this toy! You ought to be ashamed of yourself, dancing to the devil like that.

Simone Collins: And also I don't know how to articulate this, but like more buttoned up respectful and.

Less trashy

Like when I, when I think about the time, I think also like even just American presidents are just like the, like when you think about historical white figures and then historical black figures, the historical black figures are just so. Like respectable, intelligent, smart, wholesome, religious.

And then you think about like, we've got Andrew Jackson. I mean, even Abraham Lincoln was a bit of a slob. Like people were like, grow a beard, sir, [00:04:00] please.

Malcolm Collins: But this is where it gets really interesting. And I want to talk about the, the, the theft. In zomification of black culture, because when you look at the BLM movement, what was one of the things they had on their website that they were promoting?

These, these, these frauds who were running this movement. This is the black lives matter movement for people who don't know they were supposed to be promoting like black culture and identity. It was that Being anti nuclear family, being anti marriage, being pro kids not having two parents, that that was an intrinsically black thing.

Speaker 6: Now, the Black Lives Matter Foundation, right on their website, says that they aim at deconstructing the Western prescribed traditional family structure, excluding fathers specifically.

Malcolm Collins: That part of BLM's agenda was the destruction of the nuclear family, because they saw that as black culturally, when actually, the [00:05:00] exact opposite is true. Historically speaking, Black culture was more pro nuclear family than white culture. They were more family oriented than white culture.

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Speaker 4: only nine months, he is safe, he is warm, and his mother loves him. And that's the best kind of a beginning any baby can have. Woof!

Speaker 7: God looked at man, he said, it's not good for man to be alone.

He gave him a woman. He didn't give him a village. He didn't give him the community. It's supposed to be God. Husband, wife, child. And that's the natural order.

You know, the effect that it's had, we've had women for generations now saying that they don't need a man and we have boys that don't want to be one.

Malcolm Collins: And you see other examples of this, like, remember the Smithsonian race card?

Simone Collins: What I'm thinking about more is, is the, the most recent, Historical black community museum thing we went to [00:06:00] remember was the museum in Tulsa, Oklahoma, which talked about the black business community that was formed there. And that's what stands in such stark contrast to me that the destruction of that community to a great extent was driven by white.

Anger about how much that community was thriving and like, Oh, they're so wealthy. Like how, mer we have to destroy it because it's so good. And, and now, like, so we, we went from, from this amazing, like black capitalism and business owners and traditional families to black lives matter, matter, essentially saying that Marxist ideals.

Are what are black ideals? No,

Malcolm Collins: it's worse than that. So I'm gonna put on screen here. This thing that was created by the Smithsonian for like staffers. Okay. It goes through and it talks about what white culture is. And then by, you know, extension, it's trying to say, this is the antithesis of what black culture is.

So just to read it. White dominant culture or [00:07:00] whiteness refers to the way white people and their traditions, attitudes, and ways of life have been normalized over time and are now considered standard practices in the United States. And since white people still hold most of the institutional power in America, we have all internalized some aspects of white culture, including people of color.

So the first thing they say that's white culture. Rugged individualism. Individual is the primary unit. Self reliance. Independence and autonomy are highly valued plus rewarded. Individuals assume to be in control of their environment. You get what you deserve. So, so, independence and autonomy being highly valued.

Self reliance. Rugged individualism. That was part of earlier black culture. Like the, the, this, this family structure than it says. The nuclear family, father, mother, and two to three children at the ideal social unit. Husband is the breadwinner and head of the household. Wife is the homemaker and subordinate to the husband.

Children should have their own rooms and be independent. So [00:08:00] nuclear family, evil, individualism, evil, even though, you know, if you have at all studied historic black culture, that those were very prominent features of earlier black culture.

Then you have,

Emphasis on the scientific method. Here they say objected, rational, and linear thinking cause and effect relationships.

In quantitative emphasis, they see all this as being intrinsically white. Qua ha!

Simone Collins: Oh, those numbers.

Malcolm Collins: Here's some other fun ones. The Protestant work ethic. Hard work is the key to success. Work before play. Quote, if you don't meet your goals, you do work on them. This seems End quote.

Simone Collins: Like, this seems incredibly racist.

Malcolm Collins: It does seem well, and that one is really interesting because you look in and you know any black person who grew up, like if you've talked with older black people, they're like, I was raised believing I had to work five times as hard for the same rewards and learn to be happy about it.

Simone Collins: Yeah,

Malcolm Collins: like that was hard work was like the key to historic black culture.[00:09:00]

And then you go, hold on, hold on. It gets worse. Religion, they say Christianity is the norm. Oh my gosh, blacks shouldn't be Christian anymore, I guess. Oh

Simone Collins: I mean, I guess I, I slightly more understand that because if I understand correctly, Christianity was first on a wide scale introduced to ancestrally black populations in the context of slavery.

And I could really,

Malcolm Collins: that's not really true though. Yeah. Well, I don't

Simone Collins: know when missionary work in Africa started, so I don't know, but it could, I mean, it could be our

Malcolm Collins: ancestors were brought into Christianity by a conquering foreign force that often use slavery. Like. I'm from England, bro. Like, the Roman, look at Boudicca, like, the Roman Empire was not the most pleasant of people, but I still see that we are better under civilization than we were when we would sacrifice children under new bridges that were being built to, to appease the gods so [00:10:00] the bridge wouldn't collapse, you know?

Hold on. I've got to go to over more things from this. Okay. Here's some fun ones that they say are, are white things. Plan for the future. Delay gratification. Tomorrow will be better. Follow rigid time schedules.

Simone Collins: I don't get to just take all the best virtues and be like

Malcolm Collins: making majority rules. Wait, the

Simone Collins: majority rule.

Hey,

Malcolm Collins: I love that one. Oh, oh, proper protect property and entitlements.

Simone Collins: Do they, do they have a version for black culture? Like what, what is. What is the interest of this? I mean,

Malcolm Collins: it's obviously clear that they think, but I mean, the reason I wanted to bring this up is so that we could get a better understanding of just how twisted and erased actual black culture was historically.

And I'm going to put a graph on screen here that I think shows the horror of all of this, where you can see the moment that all of this [00:11:00] changed, which was the 1960s. It's sort of the change began in the 1950s. You have this sort of flat line here in terms of black women being more likely to be married than white women where, and it was twice as likely to be married, by the way, only 5 percent of black women during this period were unmarried world, 10 percent of white women were and then it shoots up to now like 48%, right?

So the question then became for me. Well, holy shiz, because you see first a slow increase from 1950 to 1980, and then an explosion after 1980. So the question is, what started to happen in a slow way between 1950 and 1980 that led to this erasure of the historic black culture, and then happened in a big way post that?

And I need to be clear here about like, What the, the, the outcome of this erasure, what the outcome of 70 percent of black kids being born to single parents is so here's [00:12:00] one study here after controlling for maternal education. Age, children's age, and gender. We find that the odds of being poor for black children in non-intact families are 3.7 x higher, so 370% higher than for , black children, and married families. Wow. After controlling for maternal education, as well as adults gender, age, and AFQT scores, we find the odds of black young adults getting a college degree are 70 percent higher if they were raised by their own two parents.

And black children who grew up in a single parent family were 180 percent more likely to spend time in jail by their 20s. In fact, black children from intact family uniformly do better than white children from single families. This is true whether you're looking at income, incarceration rates, or college.

For instance, 36 percent of young black women from intact families have graduated from college compared to just 28 percent of young white women. from single families. Likewise, 14 percent of young black men from intact families have been incarcerated compared to [00:13:00] 18 percent of young white men from single parent families.

Moreover, 13 percent of black Children in intact families were poor compared to 33 percent of white Children in single parent families. But here's where it gets worse. But there have been a series and I'll add and post some of the names here

Microphone (2- ATR2100x-USB Microphone): Specifically here, Christina, cross a sociologist at Harvard university who any New York times op ed the miss of the two parent home.

Cross contended that quote. Living apart from a biological parent does not carry the same cost for black youth as white peers in quote. And then also Regina S baker. At, , Stoney center on socioeconomic inequality. At SUNY graduate center.

Malcolm Collins: of academic university academics who are trying to get people to normalize to the idea that blacks are not actually as affected as whites by being in single parent families and therefore we shouldn't create families to incentivize this.

And it is true. They are like the [00:14:00] benefits to them are slightly lower than the benefits to white people, but the benefits are effing enormous. Enormous. When you look at this shift that happened in the eighties, you need to ask what caused this shift? Because most of the problems of the modern black American culture and community are very obviously due to this shift.

How well the average black American would have done in a world where black women were having kids within marriage or outside of marriage at half the rate that white women had children outside of marriage.

Simone Collins: Yeah, well, and I'm also thinking about what we touched on at the very beginning, which is that black birth rates are abysmal.

And one of the top things that helps birth rates of any group is marriage. And young marriage, and if marriage is a major, I mean, it seems to be a major leading indicator of plummeting birth rates.

Malcolm Collins: Well, and here, the, the, and I note here, so people are like, what, are [00:15:00] you saying that blacks historically were not the same as they are today?

Yeah, actually, and here's something where I was asking AI. The incarceration rate differences between blacks and white Americans in 1950 was lower than modern rates. So, and this was the

Simone Collins: 1950s, an era in the United States where discrimination was racist. Yes. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: The incarceration rates in the 1950s were five X higher than white rates.

So to say it's significantly higher today is saying quite a lot. Yeah. Specifically, it was 5x the rate of whites in the 1950s, and it's 7x the rate of whites today. But you've got to keep in mind the amount of institutional racism that was in the system in the 1950s. It's just not there today.

Simone Collins: And we're not saying that there isn't still institutional racism. It's just that there's, there's been a, we're, we now have 50 years of intervening, fighting against it and legislating against it and regulating against it and culturally fighting against it. So we are in a better position now. I hopefully than we were back then.

Malcolm Collins: So what was being pushed? Because I remember I said, you, you see the beginning of this in the [00:16:00] 1950s and then acceleration in the 1980s. So what ideas were being pushed within black culture in the 1950s are beginning to be pushed. Well, in 1957, a book came out called wayward lives, beautiful experiments, an intimate history of social upheaval.

And it was about black culture. It talked about black women moving to free love, common law and transient marriages. Serial partnerships, cohabitation outside of wedlock, queer relationships, and single motherhood. This

Simone Collins: sounds like white hippie stuff. This does not sound like historical black culture or like honoring It wasn't

Malcolm Collins: historic black culture.

It was Marxist nonsense that was co opting black culture. Okay, how

Simone Collins: did this happen? How did Marxism attack black culture or take over black culture?

Malcolm Collins: Well, so I think it's very much that blacks Have always felt that they can rely on one party and not the other party. Originally it was the Republicans and then they shifted to the Democrats, but [00:17:00] they voted uniformly in really high levels.

And we're going to go over that later in this episode. And because of that, they don't see the threats from their own party. So the democratic side right now is ongoing an active black genocide campaign. And you could say, no, they're not undergoing an active black genocide campaign. Well, they did set up Black Parenthood.

The founder of it, Margaret Singer, did go to KKK rallies. She did say the purpose of it was to remove unfit genes and specifically noted Blacks among those. And if you didn't have Planned Parenthood in the United States, the amount of Black people in the United States would be literally Over 25 percent higher

Simone Collins: if, if Planned Parenthood didn't exist.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. And you could say, well, they don't do that anymore. And then I'm like, yeah, except for the fact that 89 percent of clinics are in minority communities today. Yeah. I used

Simone Collins: to attend Planned Parenthood for reproductive health, like to get birth control pills [00:18:00] prescribed. And I was always the only white person in the office.

Malcolm Collins: It went from a world of, yeah, and that's the thing, like people are like, well, Planned Parenthood isn't exactly trying to eradicate the black community from our country. It's like, well, I mean, okay, I don't think that anybody who was working at a Planned Parenthood knows that that's what it was set up in part to do.

I don't think that they are aware of it in all of these clan connections and stuff. Go to our Planned Parenthood. Episode. This is all admitted on the Planned Parenthood website. This isn't some like wild conspiracy. They're like, oh, it's regrettable that all this happened. And I'm like, then why haven't you moved your effing clinics out of the minority communities, bro?

Simone Collins: Like, well, come on, Malcolm. They have a clear answer for that. They're trying to serve. underserved communities that don't have ready access to other forms of health care.

Malcolm Collins: But it's moved from we are systemically trying to erase this community because they are lesser than other communities to we are trying [00:19:00] to systemically erase you because we love you.

Optionality, bro. No, it's messed up. It's messed

Simone Collins: up. No, it is really

Malcolm Collins: messed

Simone Collins: up.

Malcolm Collins: But hold on, it gets worse than this when you look at the long term outcomes of this. So right now and I'll wait to shock you with this statistic.

Okay. Only one in four young black men in New York has a job right now.

Simone Collins: What? What's

Malcolm Collins: 75 percent of young black men are unemployed.

So remember that book I mentioned the wayward lives, beautiful experiments, right?

So it mentioned that black women who were employed at a hard time finding men who were employed, the ratio being something like 10 to five or something close. And this is something you actually see. So now we're going to talk about why their fertility rate is so low. It's, it's in part that black women just have a really, really hard time finding black men and black men have a hard time locking down black women.

But it gets a little worse than [00:20:00] that. So imagine you're like a sane conservative black man who, you know, we had as the guy on the other version of this that we did. And you are out there trying to get a woman. Well, 91 percent to 93 percent of black women voted for Democrats in the last election cycle.

And it's not like sane voting. So I'll put the video here of the star of the acolyte, like twerking to her weird oppression song.

Speaker 8: I said white people cry, what's the call? If they could take one thing, what would it be? We so bored of f**k a trill discourse We so bored of f**k a trill discourse We hate empathy, it's bastardized and inappropriated Let's have a call, vote for something we've created Speak truth to power, keep an eye out for

Malcolm Collins: It's like ultra external locus of control, like full on Marxism has like gutted their culture and is wearing it as a skin.

 black

Speaker 9: [00:21:00] not Billy Really

Speaker 12: the book give me the book

Speaker 13: you You messed Billy up. You just wanna mess me all up.

Malcolm Collins: And I should note here that actually black men, 18 percent support Trump.

So when you're looking at them trying to find a partner, it's really hard. Now it gets worse than that. So here I'm going to put on screen the okay, Cupid shards that show reply rate by ethnic group. And here's where it gets really, really weird. Okay. So when there was a, a male sender. Black females replied to black males at a lower [00:22:00] rate than they replied to any other ethnic group.

And interesting here also, black males also replied to black females at a lower rate than any other essay group Specifically and it's not like by a small amount.

When black females reached out to black males They replied at a 37 percent response if it was asian, it was 55 percent if it was hispanic It was 46 percent If it was white, it was 51%, so significantly more. When a black male reached out to a black female they replied 28%, but if it was a Asian male, 34 percent replied.

Simone Collins: Oh, wow.

Malcolm Collins: 38 percent replied. And you might be like, Oh, well, this is because blacks marry outside their culture all the time. Actually, it turns out that black women are the single least likely ethnic group to marry outside their ethnicity.

Simone Collins: Oh, wow. Okay.

So they will. Well, if they do marry, they will eventually. [00:23:00]

Malcolm Collins: Only 7 percent of the time, whereas black men marry out 15 percent of the time and I'll put another graph on screen here. So you'll see that for married black men, 85 percent have a black wife. And of those that don't have a black wife 8 percent have a white wife.

For married black women, 93 percent have a black husband. And of those that don't, only 4 percent have a white husband. So this idea that like, white people are stealing black people, that it's like a fear within black people, it's not true. It's only true when they're just people. This is the thing. It's not true in who they marry.

Simone Collins: Yeah, I feel like there's, I almost feel as though modern society, in highlighting that black groups face discrimination and that there has been historical and still some present. systemic disadvantages especially against Blacks in the United States, especially those who descended from slaves, that [00:24:00] now that we're elevating the fight against any remaining systemic racism, we're saying these people are discriminated against and therefore not as high status, right?

Like, not as desirable. And therefore, even among that

Malcolm Collins: famous study on this where they, you know, they chose dolls and the black kids chose white dolls over black. Right?

Simone Collins: Because no one wants the loser group and even if in trying to help the quote unquote, you know, loser group or systemically disadvantaged group.

I don't think

Malcolm Collins: that's what's happening here.

Simone Collins: Are you sure? Because I feel like there's a lot of like, highlighting of

Malcolm Collins: new evidence. They've redone that experiment. It's no longer true that the black kid. Yeah. is the white doll over the black doll. What is actually happening here is it's culturally speaking, black individuals do not prefer to date within their culture.

Simone Collins: But they're marrying within their culture. I don't, I don't get that. I feel like there's some, [00:25:00]

Malcolm Collins: here's what you're missing.

Simone Collins: Okay.

Malcolm Collins: Remember, black marriage rates are incredibly low right now.

Speaker 2: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: So there is two black populations, you could say, the one that has stuck to their tradition,

Simone Collins: which

Malcolm Collins: make up a little under 50 percent of the current black culture.

Yeah, or the

Simone Collins: person that's dating to marry. And then there's just the portion that's not dating to marry. And

Malcolm Collins: overtaken by leftist Marxists, right? So, which group Is going to be using a dating site more. The group has been brainwashed by leftist Marxists. Which group is going to be marrying more? The group that's not, that's the traditional black culture.

And here is what you see. Traditional black culture, they are still marrying within their ethnic group. It is the brainwashed ones, the ones who have been brainwashed by this Marxist cult, that self hate other black individuals in black culture. The, the ethnic cucking that is going on here is by these ultra progressives who are pretending to help your movement.

[00:26:00] It is by, and this is actually something you see, if you want to see like a black woman who's, who's married to a white guy. Look at any high level black politician, AOC Omar. They're all Jewish guys, right? Like they're, they, they, they all very white guys.

Simone Collins: AOC is not black.

Malcolm Collins: AOC isn't black.

Simone Collins: Yeah, she's not.

She's

Malcolm Collins: Latina. But the point I'm making is the, the, the, the conservative blacks are much more likely to marry.

Speaker 2: Are you like a literally race blind? Are you, you can't see race.

Malcolm Collins: I don't know. I know that people think she's progressive. So I thought she was black. Like I thought she was like progressive and ethnic, which means black.

Speaker 15: Call me crazy, but I didn't. I just don't see race. I guess I'm just the least racist person here. Oh, okay. Race is like often like a pretty obvious thing to observe. It's not like racist to notice. [00:27:00] I had to laugh. Zach, um, my goodness. I only see one race. Ugh. The human race. Such b******t

No, I'm not prejudiced, okay? I don't even judge Trapp for being

Speaker 16: I'm a man, Katie,

Speaker 15: I don't see gender, and I don't see sex, I just see people.

Speaker 17: You don't see how men and women look different?

Speaker 15: No, I just see, like, shapeless blobs walking around.

I just am so committed to equality. I'm just a good person.

Speaker 14: Unless you're blind, you can tell that people have inherent differences.

Speaker 15: Oh, I wouldn't know if I was blind or not, because I don't see disabilities. I'm not a monster.

Speaker 16: So, if someone were in a wheelchair, you wouldn't be able to see the wheelchair.

Speaker 15: I have never seen a wheelchair.

Speaker 16: Why are you so proud of yourself?

Speaker 15: Okay, well, here's a thought. Maybe you don't get it because you have less experience on Earth than I do.

Speaker 14: Experience? We're all older than you.

Speaker 15: I'm sorry, but I don't see

Speaker 18: Oh, come on!

Speaker 14: You have two older brothers. Can you at least [00:28:00] acknowledge that?

Speaker 15: Yes, and I believe both women are my same age.

Malcolm Collins: Right. I don't, I haven't looked at a picture of her much. Okay.

Speaker 2: Sorry. I just find this very entertaining. You don't see race.

Simone Collins: You see culture or Tez. I don't know if her last name's or Tez. What do you think? No panic. Okay. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: I bet you she checks black on racial surveys.

Simone Collins: No

 So, the,

Malcolm Collins: the point that I'm making here is it's Oh, sorry, her,

Simone Collins: her last name is Ocasio Cortez. Those are two very Hispanic names,

Malcolm Collins: there's black Hispanics, you know this, right, Simone? Like, that's like saying she's American, so she's not black.

 I really want to know now. I don't know why but this is now important to me.

Simone Collins: Puerto Rican, but what before Puerto Rico?

Oh her, her ancestry includes Sephardic Jews, so Jewish as well.

Malcolm Collins: Anyway but this is actually important when you note [00:29:00] this, the black people who stay was in black culture and are getting married and are preserving their traditions don't have a hatred for other black people.

The black people who are not, they are responding to both black men and women, black senders of emails on dating apps, less than any other ethnic group.

Simone Collins: Like racists, essentially.

Malcolm Collins: They're basically acting like racists, yeah. Like you would expect like a clan member to respond or something, which is wild, but I think it shows the effects that this group has had.

And it shows that this group is malevolent, like this new cultural system is malevolent and specifically caustic to black culture. But the thing that we're going to get to at the end of this. When we get to like how this happened is, is Blacks are just the canary in the coal mine on this. It's going to happen to all of them, to us.

Simone Collins: Right, because the beginning of this was progressive culture saying, don't [00:30:00] worry, I'm going to come in and save everything. And that is exactly when they then subsequently began to dismantle what was working for the Black community and Black cultures in the United States, and then begin to wear its face.

And act as though it is black culture and speak as though it's speaking for black culture, but only in ways that seem to be hurting it on the whole. Is that right?

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Well, I've got to put a clip here from boondocks in the episode where Martin Luther King comes back or doesn't die. And he just gets increasingly disgusted with the direction of black culture.

Speaker 20: Excuse me, brothers and sisters, please.

If someone could just turn off King looked out on his people and saw they were in great need. Will you ignorant redacted please shut the hell up?

He just said what I think he said. [00:31:00] Is this it? This is what I got all those ass whoopings for?

I've seen what's around the corner. I've seen what's over the horizon. And I promise you, you have nothing to celebrate. And no, I won't get there with you. I'm going to Canada.

Malcolm Collins: Because that's the truth of it. Like. It is not what it was, but in a way that is much more dramatic than any other cultural group within the U S because it was explicitly targeted to try to turn black culture into a entirely reliable democratic voting block.

Simone Collins: You say you think that that's what it was is that ultimately it's not just progressive culture.

It's also. Progressive culture plus one political party ultimately saying, okay, we're now going to say that we speak for you and that you belong to us and we are going to try to control you.

Malcolm Collins: Well, I [00:32:00] guess they have literally hijacked black identity. I mean, think about the line you, that Biden literally said while running for president that didn't like end his candidacy immediately.

If you don't vote for me, you aren't black. If you don't, how did, how did

Simone Collins: Howard Dean get disqualified for an enthusiastic utterance and yet Biden can say things like that and

Malcolm Collins: still get elected. That's really because everybody knows that mainstream Democrats think this way that they think that they. own black culture

Microphone (2- ATR2100x-USB Microphone)-1: It's so bad that there was an undercover reporter that we're dealing with right now. And one of the things that they got on us. Quote unquote got on us. He is saying that well, we try to elevate the voices of POC women within the movement, because it's better than, you know, Hearing about demographic collapse from a white guy. And they're like, oh, this is so insidious.

Look at this. And I'm like, whoa. Do you think that you Progressive's have a monopoly? On the [00:33:00] elevation or centering of person of color voices. Do you think it's intrinsically wrong? When anyone other than you does this and it's like, yeah, obviously you do. Obviously you think there is some moral problem. To people other than Progressive's. Having black people speak their own mind about those causes. And this just shows the degree of entitlement.

The progressive culture has when it comes to black culture, they just think it is theirs to own.

Malcolm Collins: when they make up all of these things about black culture.

When they say that being black means you don't have a work ethic, being black means you, you're, you're not family centered, being black means, you know, don't like

Simone Collins: numbers because

Malcolm Collins: the value of time, what they need to say are, these are things that I, as a progressive believe. And because we have stolen black identity, we are supplanting them upon black identity.

And it is very, very, very important. If any [00:34:00] faction of healthy black identity is to survive within our country that they see this. And what I would say is, and this gives me a lot of hope is 1st, it's important to note that there are 3 core black groups in the US that are as culturally distant from each other as, you know, I might be from Russian American maybe even more than that.

There, they might be as I am in from like a Chinese American. Specifically, this is. The African immigrants, a completely different cultural group often really looks down upon the native American black community. And yeah, I've seen this, like they are of the people. I know the most outwardsly racist even more racist than Asians because they know that they can get away with it.

And they seem to like get off on it a bit. Especially like my Igbo friends, like, woof. They love baiting me because they know that like I get really uncomfortable when I hear somebody say something that's racist. And so they just have fun because they know they can get away with it all they want and I just have to sit there and like, [00:35:00] Yeah, actually no, I'm having

Simone Collins: this internal montage of, People that we've encountered saying really racist things

Speaker 2: and then watching your face.

Oh, like that one person who will not be named to refer to one of our employees like this. Oh my god, yes! Because he knew he could get

Malcolm Collins: away with it!

Speaker 2: Yeah, but he also loved seeing your face.

Malcolm Collins: It's this, it is this thing that people of certain ethnic groups love doing to white people is doing these racist acts and then watching me get like bright red, but not know that I can't say anything about it.

Speaker 21: He realLy

Speaker 22: plays white people like a fiddle.

Speaker 21: Wow. That's amazing to watch.

Speaker 22: Thank you for coming.

Would you like some water?

Speaker 21: Water? Like fire water? That's racist, and I do not appreciate it. No,

Speaker 22: no, no, no, no. I, I, I didn't mean it like that. I just meant, you know

Speaker 21: I'm just messing with you.

Speaker 22: Oh! I suggest we put on these authentic Wamapoke headdresses and dance around [00:36:00] the table.

Speaker 21: That sounds highly offensive.

Does it, white man? No. And I just hope that the souls of my ancestors don't put a curse on this festival. There are two things I know about white people. They love Matchbox 20, and they are terrified of curses. So clearly, this is not offensive. It is offensive. I am very sorry.

Malcolm Collins: The first group is the, the African immigrants. Actually I'll add one extra group. You've got the African immigrants and then the, the immigrants from the islands, specifically like Jamaican immigrants and the Haitian immigrants and the Cuban immigrants. And each of these are totally different groups as well.

Yeah. With, with some of these groups, like if you talk about

Microphone (2- ATR2100x-USB Microphone)-2: Nigerian.

Malcolm Collins: Immigrants, you know, they have higher, test scores on average than white Americans. So if you're one of those, you know, like HPD people or whatever there's, there's huge diversity here. And then you have the and one of the things that I always point out was in HPD people is like, if, if you look at how distant people are genetically from each other People [00:37:00] in Africa are so much more distant from people from any other groups.

Specifically if I look at like two random groups in Africa, they're all more distant from each other than white people will be from Native Americans or Asians. If you are going to divide all of the world's population into ethnic groups based on genetic distance, i. e. you were trying to divide five equally distant ethnic groups, white people, Asians, Native Americans, and North Africans would all be in one group.

Like this is the thing I don't get when people are like all these, anyway, I always find this stuff pretty ridiculous. But You, you then have the first escaped slaves and the escaped slaves created societies that were like really high education focused, really high traditionalism focused.

And then you had the free slaves. And there's some really interesting articles on this that we might go over in a different episode. Cause you know, there's also parts of American history that just are not covered because of wokeism. Where you see that [00:38:00] up until I'd say maybe the eighties these two communities didn't really intermarry.

The freed slaves versus the escaped slaves. Well, I'm sure, like,

Simone Collins: they saw themselves culturally very different, wouldn't you? It would be hard just if you think logistically about the romance. Like, if we're writing a romance novel Hi! It would be really difficult to relate to someone who'd grown up so differently in such a different culture.

I mean, just from when you look at what we constantly talk about, talk about Albion seed, it would be very difficult for a white Quaker to marry a white Puritan. Like, this is just one of those things where, of course, they wouldn't intermix a lot. But what if

Malcolm Collins: their cultures have been erased? Because when progressives stole Black identity, they stole it as a pan Black identity, which erased the cultural differences between the multiple Black identities within our country.

Simone Collins: Oh, no, yeah, there was this huge, yeah, homogenization, trivialization. I, I guess, you know, the, [00:39:00] the thing you say about what the urban monoculture does in general, which is like, oh, you can keep your cute little costumes, but all of your beliefs are now gonna be the same. This is just that on steroids. You know, with Kwanza, you're Nigeria are,

Malcolm Collins: oh, you're Jamaican F that no, you're black.

You're, yeah, like black.

Simone Collins: We're gonna give you some new holidays and we're gonna give you some new values, and you're just gonna be a good Marxist and you're gonna vote Democrat. And. Yikes. But here we

Malcolm Collins: have to ask the question. So what the F, going back to the graph here, what the F happened in the 1970s?

Yeah, seriously. How did they start to destroy the culture even more? So this was in the 1980s when you really see things go asymmetopic,

right?

You know, and some argue this was Reagan's war on drugs. They're like, well, a lot of people were arrested and that doesn't explain it. Why doesn't that explain it?

Because why did it keep going up after this period? Why is it still going up today? If it was Reagan's war on drugs. That should have been a temporary blip that they should be recovering from what made the [00:40:00] flywheel go off and also just the numbers in Reagan's war of drugs. We're not big enough to explain this and then you're like, maybe it was an explosion of drugs during that period.

And there was an explosion of cocaine during that period, but it was much smaller than the current Fentanyl explosion. See our Fentanyl episode. So that doesn't explain it either. And on the fence, I don't have to say it might not have come out yet. So we'll see, but it'll come out eventually. I think it was one of our better ones.

So I asked what big thing happened in black culture in the late seventies, early eighties? And I had this nagging suspicion. And I went to perplexity and I said, When was rap invented? And it says, oh, that was invented in the early 80s.

Simone Collins: Well, but then there were also all the black exploitation films in the 70s. Wasn't that more of a 70s thing?

Malcolm Collins: I don't think the black [00:41:00] exploitation films promoted negative culture. If you watch the black exploitation films, they often focus like the black characters are generally like family oriented, they are generally heroes, they are generally pretty like small C conservative in their value sets.

They're trying to, you know, get rid of drugs, give people like they're, they're generally. Good guys.

Simone Collins: Okay, I haven't watched any, so I wouldn't know. I just The term black plus exploitation plus film doesn't bode terribly well for

Malcolm Collins: me. That was not true of the ideas that were being stereotyped within rap music.

Did rap

Simone Collins: start out But, see, here's the thing, is rap as a genre isn't It's lyrics. And I, for example, I don't know if you've seen this, maybe you can find some clips online cause they're fricking hilarious, but there's Japanese rap and it's really funny. Because it's like Japanese rappers and like, everyone's happy and smiling and like, they're all like, you know, just doing [00:42:00] their thing.

So I don't, I don't think see rap as a genre, like, typically less melodious. Spoken poetry with a beat is necessarily bad. It's, it's lyrics that glorified violence and drugs and crime and sex and all that. Right. Debauchery in general. So what do you, how are you, how are you defining rap? It wasn't in the beginning always like more oriented around crime and debauchery and Things falling apart or genuinely was,

Malcolm Collins: and this is the point, right?

Like it was like F the police was one of the early songs that got a lot of people up in arms. Okay. Like I just decided to, I was like, okay, what are the top like rap songs today versus the top country songs? Right. In terms of their themes. Okay. Okay. So, and I don't know, you know, when this is from exactly, but here it is.

So, number one in rap is Kendrick Lamar's Not Like Us, so this is from a bit ago when I was doing research for this. And this is a scathing diss [00:43:00] track aimed at Drake, addressing allegations of inappropriate relations. And it's like, okay, so like, diss tracks, okay? Like that this is, this was a collaborative track.

Dissing Drake and J. Cole then Houdini by Eminem a comeback single that pays homage to Eminem's past hits while showcasing his continued lyrical relevance. So a lot of these are, I'm important, like that's the theme of the song.

Speaker 2: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: I am important and I matter. The next one is Whiskey Whiskey about drinking and indulgence.

Simone Collins: Oh, cause no one ever talks about beer and whiskey and country songs.

Malcolm Collins: Okay, how about this? I will play clips from Whiskey Whiskey,

Speaker 25: She like, tell me how you want it, on the rocks again feel to the top again Feel bad, so addicted, ain't no we can do about it Country motherfucker, I say what's up, she say howdy Call you my lil cowgirl, how you ride it like a stallion

Malcolm Collins: and then I will play clips from

Simone Collins: God is Great and Beer is Good.

Speaker 26: We [00:44:00] talked about God's grace and all the hell we raised. Then a man,

God is great, and beer's good and people are crazy.

Malcolm Collins: Or God's Great and Beer is Good, or the one about whiskey rain, like we pray for rain for, which is like, Yeah, you get alcohol as a theme, but it's not about indulgence.

But it's all very Christian alcohol. Okay. We pray for rain so that we can work the fields to make grain and grow whiskey.

Speaker 27: Rain makes corn. Corn makes whiskeys whiskey. It makes my baby

Malcolm Collins: we

Speaker 2: worked hard to make that whiskey, young man. Okay, fine.

Malcolm Collins: Then you have wannabe an anthem about the Artist confidence and assertiveness. So again, I'm so great loving on me.

Next one. You can tell what that's about. So like, you're just [00:45:00] getting here that it's all about. I'm great. Other people are terrible, like really, really focused on. So

Simone Collins: in either that and or hedonism, if I am to only guess by lyrics alone, but I don't know these songs.

Malcolm Collins: So if I go to country music and country music is actually kind of hard here, because the problem with the country music charts is when I go through it it'll have post Malone as the top song.

And then Shaboosie as the top song. And I'm like, these are not country music. Well, I

Simone Collins: also don't know if for rap or country, we can really look at charts because There's a whole rabbit hole year, but the, the entire world of, of mainstream quote unquote, successful music is a complete scam and very contrived and manufactured and not actually based on consumer based demand.

For the most part,

Malcolm Collins: I'm not looking at the songs by like Post Malone. , but anyway, I, I pulled it up on, on, on here on [00:46:00] perplexity and it says, take your time is the first one. It's on love and relationships. Explores the nuances of taking time and romance.

So consider this. Like, one's about I'm the greatest person ever. The other is take your time in a relationship. Sunshine and whiskey captures carefree moments and enjoying life. So it's not about like drinking at a bar, sunshine whiskey. Okay. Next is, is games discussion. It is the emotional turmoil of a broken relationship.

The next is homegrown celebrates rural life and pride. The next is onto something good focuses on resilience and optimism after setbacks. The next is I remember everything pointing at, look back at past experiences and relationships.

The next is last night. So this is, Oh no, I thought this would be a party song. Deals with the complexities of love and making amends. The next is fast car. Okay. This one might be indulgent. Okay. A narrative about longing for freedom and a better life. Okay. No. Okay. The next is wagging. Oh, hold

Simone Collins: on. Okay.

I'm just, I'm trying to give some [00:47:00] counterarguments here. Oh God, it's blurry. But if we look at number three on Spotify, it's God's plan by Drake. Now I don't, that sounds religious.

Malcolm Collins: Okay. Well, we can play a bit by that, but the point I'm making

is

Simone Collins: there's parties in it.

Malcolm Collins: It immediately starts about bringing girls to a party.

Simone Collins: I can't understand most of all song lyrics regardless of someone's accent. .

Malcolm Collins: But this actually matters because this is where people absorb their cultural values.

Simone Collins: Yeah, no, but that's, well, that and TV shows and your friends. How you spend your time, then your books and whatever. Yeah. But yes, music is influential and it definitely shapes. Also, I think music is very powerful in the way it affects your emotions. So it can also shape what you see as a success case as desirable as what winning looks like.

You're right. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: It matters a lot when I'm trying to decide [00:48:00] what's culturally normative and I have a song F the police, you know, growing up or something like that. My relation to organized crime is going to be different. than if I have songs about how great our troops are constantly, like And that's a common theme, by the way, in country music.

Simone and I play like country music, bingo. The tropes are what our troops are great. I have undergone challenges, but overcome them. I love my spouse. I love my kids. I love hard work and hard work brings good things to me at the end of the day. I love America and small towns. I love simple things in America, like maybe like jeans and like chicken nuggets.

I love

Simone Collins: Don't think chicken nuggets are

Speaker 28: Driving through town just my boy and me Knowing that he couldn't have the toy till his nuggets were gone

A green traffic light turned straight to red. His fries went a flyin and his orange drink covered his lap. Well, in my four year old set of [00:49:00] four letter word, It started with S, and I was concerned. He said, I've been watching you, that ain't that cool, huh?

Speaker 29: In my house, it's not much to talk about, But it's fair when love and a little bit of chicken fry. Cold beer on a Friday night.

Simone Collins: It's pickup trucks, it's dirt roads, it's jeans, it's beer, whiskey. Wives, girlfriends, children. But you're not gonna get a

Malcolm Collins: country song about sleeping with lots of women at a club. Like you're, it's just not going to happen. They might exist, but they're not going to be like popular mainstream country songs because that's antithetical to the culture that's being portrayed.

No, they're

Simone Collins: the partying songs are like, we worked really hard. So now we're going to take off our boots and dance.

Malcolm Collins: I also would note around the way that they promote spending of money. And, and here's the messed up thing. Country music is derivative of black music. [00:50:00] Country music as a genre came from black genre music.

Simone Collins: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. I was like, rap to country? How did No, no, no. It was

Malcolm Collins: before rap. But what I'm saying is, is that black music didn't have to go that way. In fact, it did go in another direction when we talk about country music.

Microphone (2- ATR2100x-USB Microphone)-3: Specifically here country music came from blues, which was a mostly black form of music. And it's beginning. , and was also itself derived from jazz, another black form of music. And here I would note. People are like, well, these sorts of themes are popular in country music because it's what the customer want.

And these sorts of themes are popular and rap because that's what the customer wants. But that's not really true. Especially in the early days when the rap culture was being formed. , back then.

The songs that were popular were determined less by customer sentiment. And more by the big radio stations and record labels, which could decide which songs to promote in which songs to play more. And it made it very easy for an [00:51:00] individual to manipulate downstream culture. And I think that's what we saw here was an intentional manipulation in an intentional attempt. Bye. Individuals with a specific agenda to rot the family values. And the wholesome nature, which was intrinsic. To pre sixties. He's American black culture.

And it also note here, if you just listened to the, , the themes in these two groups of songs and you think, okay, two groups are being exposed disproportionately to one theme and then another group to the other theme, how are you going to motivate high degrees of marriage in, in,

Having kids. When all the themes are about, I'm so much better than X person. Instead of like, I accidentally cursed in front of my kid and then he learned to curse, but he still loves and respects me. Like you just can't compete unless you're constantly being bombarded with one of these, it's telling you, these are the cultural things you should value.

Microphone (2- ATR2100x-USB Microphone)-4: And I'd also note here that I am not coming. [00:52:00] Out here was like this wild take. This is something that. A large number of influential black individuals were saying in the nineties to the point where it just became sort of this trope of like, oh, you're an out of touch, whatever saying the cultural degradation is downstream of rap music.

But like, I think that this. This trope. Allowed this truth to be obscured. Even. When it was one obvious that the themes in rap music were very different than the themes in music targeted at different cultural groups. And those themes were having an effect on the, on the ground culture and on. How status hierarchies worked within these communities?

Microphone (2- ATR2100x-USB Microphone)-5: And I understand the temptation to say that the.

Corruption. Of black family values came from the drug.

Explosion in the eighties. It's just that the data doesn't really back it up and there isn't a good mechanism of action there. What I mean by [00:53:00] that is the drug explosion then was lower than the fentanyl explosion now. And we haven't seen a similar cultural shift. In addition to that. , ,

I just don't get what the mechanism of action would be.

How would drugs in and of themselves convince people that it is not high status to be in a loving, monogamous relationship and have kids. Whereas I can see how a message like that might come from something like music. , I can't see how it could come from drugs and it's not just that I can hypothesize how it might've come from music. I know the themes of the rap songs I would listen to growing up and they were very much focused on. Your status is determined by how much money you have and how many women you can sleep with.

, a to in effect, read, even affected me and my own values. Whereas when I listen to country music, it's very clear. Your status is determined by the amount that you're sacrificing. , for your family and [00:54:00] for your country.

Malcolm Collins: But specifically if you talk about indulgent expenses, that's one thing that's really big in rap is all the expensive things I'm spending money on,

Speaker 34: But every now and then when I get paid, ay Yeah, we fancy like Applebee's on a date night with the Oreo shake And some whipped cream on the top Don't need no Tesla, too impressive My girl is happy, rollin on a Vespa

Malcolm Collins: whereas in country music the indulgences are always about, like, maybe beer and maybe a boat, like, if I had a million dollars, I'll put the song here about like, there's a couple songs about this, like, one is about like, Well, if I had a lot of money, it might not buy happiness, but it could buy a boat and some beer.

And then another one was like, if I won the, won the lottery. I'd have a boat. But like boats don't cost that much like I have. Yeah. They're not yachts a boat. Keep in mind

Simone Collins: they're, yeah, they're fishing boats.

Speaker 30: I know everybody says money can't buy happiness But it me [00:55:00] a boat It It can buy me a Yeti 110 iced down with some silver bullets

Speaker 31: Well, I won dollars on a scratch off ticket So I bought a six pack and a bag of ice.

It ain't like we really need a million dollar

Speaker 32: yacht. .

Speaker 33: We'll have it all the way. To the riverbank.

Simone Collins: They're, they're fishing boats to catch fish.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. They're not like, I'm gonna get a lot of like bling and diamonds and everything like that.

It's like, I'm gonna get the minimum I need to enjoy my life. Which culturally speaking well, and the

Simone Collins: only country music song lyric I can think of now that involves buying a ring is. In the context of finding a wife and proposing to her, like that you, you buy jewelry tactically to form a family, which seems helpful, especially when we're coming, bringing this back to prenatalism and family formation and the impact that that can have on a culture and the prospects of its youth.

[00:56:00] So. That is important. Now, some of though, you know, people have pointed out to us on Twitter, like they've pointed us to some really super pronatalist black, I don't like performers. I didn't look into like one guy's music who was shared with us. So they're, they are out there and I think like where, where I have hope.

Is that I think that many black performers, influencers commentators, writers, et cetera, are starting to fight back and say, you're not going to tell me what my culture is. This is my culture. And I'm going to. Lead by example and show you how great it is. And we're going to shift to that. The question is, can they in a grassroots non coordinated fashion overcome the urban monoculture having essentially said black people in America are monolithic.

They belong to us and we control who they are and [00:57:00] what they stand for.

Malcolm Collins: Well, I think they can, as long as they keep their fences up by that. What I mean is. With their kids, they need to contextualize that whatever the black culture is that's being sold to them by the urban monoculture and in society, that is not and never was real black culture.

Well, I

Simone Collins: think we are seeing well, I

Malcolm Collins: think we're seeing

Simone Collins: to brainwash. And in some ways, I think we're seeing this pop up in especially church based black communities where they are around a specific church group, a specific collection of pastors. I remember when we were in Atlanta. looking at buying that company that made boxes for food.

Do you remember that? And we, we just walked around and in our hotel, there was like a big church convention. And it was like a fast, I don't think it was a single white parishioner there that I saw. It was like a vast majority of like, but there, their dress, their [00:58:00] comportment, their culture, their way of speaking, all of it felt very different from what is presented to us in mainstream media.

As it felt like

Malcolm Collins: black characters I had seen from like the fifties and sixties where they were much more put together than the white people, when they were much more like. For polite and professionalized and, and much more focused on you know, nuclear families and everything like that.

Simone Collins: Yeah, 1. yeah, I mean, there were in the materials we saw from the gathering, you know, heavy emphasis on relationship formation and also like, you know.

Independence hardware. It was very, I mean, it was probably Protestant or like Baptist. I don't know. Like it was, it was a Baptist group. Yeah. And so you're, you're going to see some Protestant work ethic in there, which apparently is very white, but tell them that. Right. And so that encourages me is that these groups you know, that, that was clearly a group of like a church that had dating networks that had conferences that was gathering, that was probably creating some kind of.

Wald garden that that will. And keep in [00:59:00] mind, as you pointed out at the beginning of this black birth rates in the United States are abysmal. So where there also is hope is that the groups that are having kids are opting out of whatever has been toxically created. And are staying within these well, hopefully they'll stay within these well gardens.

They won't be attacked. They won't be sort of taken over by the urban monoculture. And they will inherit the future because they are, I'm sure they have high birth rates.

Malcolm Collins: I think the way to protect kids from this, and I think this can be done with evidence, is to show that what the urban monoculture is telling Black families is Black culture is categorically not Black culture.

It is an abomination that was used to destroy black culture in this country. Yeah. That has led to the really high crime stats in black communities that has led to the really high unemployment stats in black communities that has. Yeah. And, and actually you see this, if you look at, and I'll put the, the charts on [01:00:00] screen here black individuals who lived in areas was predominantly Republican,

so that they were more conservative their IQ gap was whites is much smaller.

They're Earning gap was whites is much smaller like these communities are improving themselves and it gets worse is in all of this It this entire system that's created by this affirmative action nonsense creates an environment in which The ultra competent black individuals get one removed from the gene pool, as we've seen from the data and to really have no shot because they are always going to be better off taking some D.

E. I. Position if I,

you

know, I went to Stanford business school for my MBA, which is supposed to be like best of the best in the country and like so many of my black classmates are in like standard D. E. I. Positions. What I mean by that is like, they like literally like help commute companies, like get sweet baby ink stuff.

You know what I mean? Like, we're going to help you make sure that like, you're not doing anything. Well, and that's, that's

Simone Collins: because also there's like a [01:01:00] lot of toxic legislation in California. That's like, you need to have this many. Like non white people on your board or whatever. I don't know exactly what the rules are, but they're, they're playing arbitrage games like any smart person would.

No, they're not dumb for doing this. The

Malcolm Collins: problem is, is that it makes the smartest decision a middling success decision. Yeah. And then you have somebody like, say me, right? I was told that because I'm white, I am not eligible for the dream job that I wanted. I wanted to become a professor at Stanford Business School, and I was told under the table, we have a hiring freeze on white males who come from this hiring pathway.

Specifically, I wanted to, specifically, Start a company, do well, become sort of publicly famous as an intellectual and then get hired in, which is the pathway that a lot of the professors, it's like 50 percent of the staff gets hired in that way. And they said, no, you can only go like the traditional route of up through the PhD program because we don't hire through this other pathway at all anymore if you're white and a male, and I was just devastated by that.

Cause that had been my dream since I was a [01:02:00] kid. Right. You know, I had other dreams. It is one of my dreams. I wanted to, you know, use that as my platform for making changes to the world as a professor. And I was like, well, s**t, like, that's really sad. But because of that, I had to go for higher risk, higher reward opportunities.

And now, you know, if you look at the number of people that we touch with this podcast or other things we do, it's just like infinitely higher. And it's because I was forced to take the higher risk, higher reward thing as a high competence person or essentially preventing black entrepreneurs from having any success.

Simone Collins: Well, and here's, so I want to look at this from another perspective, cause obviously speaking from our, to use progressive terms, lived experience as White cisgendered people, right? We, we don't know what it's like to be of many different minority statuses. But what I do know is like my, my parents experience living as Gaijin, as foreigners in Japan in the eighties, in Japan in the eighties was Pretty racist against white [01:03:00] people.

There was a show that they would watch. They recorded. And I watched it extensively as a child called like BTK. She's castles. Like when one of the very early obstacle course reality shows, it was amazing. They had one token white actor in it. He was a former American baseball player. I think his name was animal.

And his job on the show was to burst out of like water and like attack people going through these obstacle courses and like topple them off and he was just really big and he'd just be like, and then like, he would just like slam them into the mud or something. And like, that was what animal did. And that was kind of like where things were in Japan at the time.

There wasn't a lot of still, when

Malcolm Collins: I was working in Korea I had. This was a company that our firm, cause I worked as a venture capitalist at the director of strategy had invested in. And he's like, in all honesty, I'd really prefer her if you left the country, because I think that you make the country less aesthetically beautiful.

Simone Collins: I mean, I was like, I'm sorry. They're so beautiful. There's the beautiful, but I have a point here, if you [01:04:00] don't mind. I have a point, which is if I were in. Japan in the 80s. And if there were like a, you know, larger population of white people in Japan and I'm like, I'm seeing them do really poorly.

Right. And I'm like, well, what do I do? Like, this is not great. I wouldn't trust white people who are thriving in racist Japanese institutions. Right. Like I wouldn't think that they are fighting in my best interest or really understanding where I'm coming from, even though they're still white. I also wouldn't trust.

White people who are starting like white person advocacy or like friend the white person friendly organizations in Japan at that time if it wasn't yet proven Like I just wouldn't trust it. Like I wouldn't know if it was reliable, if it was going to work out, if it was actually going to create good, good outcomes.

I would look for white communities and white organizations and white led groups that had been thriving in that environment for a very long time. And I would try to [01:05:00] interact with those communities and I would give support to those communities. And when I think about what that equivalent would be, like, if I try, which I can't, I know if I tried to put myself in the shoes of a black person in the United States today.

That's not Black Lives Matter. That's not any, anyone working within any institution that's like primarily white in the United States. Any university, whatever, unless it's a historically black university, in which case I would think differently. It would really be church groups, like longstanding successful church groups that have lasted a while that aren't brand new, that have, you know, Parishioners who are thriving, period.

Like that's where I would go if I wanted to, to raise a successful family that is black in the United States.

Malcolm Collins: I disagree. I think that you can start new organizations. I think that there's a lot of room for this. You can do it through church groups if you want. But I think that the key thing is to recognize that the the left is not your friend that they are undergoing an active genocide campaign right now.

And [01:06:00] that you actually have variable voting pattern when you can create groups that vote. to the right within communities because it is a vote that nobody expects to go to the right.

And so it, it matters a lot to politicians and stuff like that. So I think that that's really important, but I'd also note, like, if we're just talking about other things, we're like, and this is the interesting thing about being black in America today is that leftists have, hidden how bad it is.

I mean, Oh, absolutely. They don't make it look great. They can only focus on things where it could plausibly be explained on white people as a primary cause. So for example, leftists are never going to highlight that one of the reasons it's hard to be black is that Black people respond to your dating messages lower than they would respond to any other ethnic group, even though they're the group you're most likely to marry.

Like, they're not going to talk about that. They're not going to talk about the fact that, and here's a quote here, the majority black neighborhoods have higher gun homicide rates than most white neighborhoods of the same [01:07:00] socioeconomic status level, according to a new study published by Jamon Network opened by Professor Dillian Small.

So even when you correct for income, the homicides are going to be higher in your neighborhood if you're black. They're not going to talk about the fact that almost all of the black women have been brainwashed into this ultra progressive group, so you as a black man are going to really struggle to find a sane woman.

And, and no, I'm not saying here, they're not insane because they're black. They're insane because they're ultra progressive. Well, I

Simone Collins: mean, I think it's also important to note that, that research has found that majority, majority of progressive women in general, regardless of, Attributes refuse to date conservative men.

So it's not, it's, it's also like if someone is progressive and you're a man and you're conservative, like the odds are, they're aren't going to date you. It's not about sanity or insanity. They're just from a political polarization. Another interesting

Malcolm Collins: thing to note here before, if they're like, oh, well, How can we vote for a Republican because Republicans are for increasing like police in areas, [01:08:00] except quote, most black Americans favor maintaining or increasing local police presence of funding.

According to a recent study published by the journal of criminal justice. Surprisingly, this preference is more robust among black Americans than non black Americans. It holds steady, regardless of challenges. Of changes in crime trends or information about policing reforms support. So they're more pro police and I guess what I would recommend and what I really fear for is twofold on this, right?

Okay, what did this start with? What was the thing that started all of this degradation? It was people advocating for. Let's go to . The quote of that early book.

Free love, communal law and transient marriages, serial partnerships, cohabitation outside of wedlock, queer relationships within the motherhood. So

Speaker 2: Marxism.

Malcolm Collins: Marxism. That's what started this all. And if that's growing within your [01:09:00] community and people are telling you, oh, that's really your culture, you need to be afraid because this is going to happen to your people as well.

So that's the first thing I'd note is this is not like a black thing. It's just that the black people were frankly economically disempowered during that period. And so it was easier to isolate them and you know, peel off their most vulnerable members and convince them that their cultural history wasn't their cultural history.

And that's something that the rest of us are all going through right now. The second thing is that black individuals can get through this, but they need to look to their historic culture and then put a modern spin on it. So what do I mean by that? I mean, if you were not taught about your culture growing up from your family, don't trust the schools to teach it to you.

Go to your grandparents if you're a black person or go to elders within your local community and ask, how were you disciplined as a child? How did you find a partner as a child? How did this community used to think about the value of marriage? One thing I would, [01:10:00] appreciate maybe not asking is what they used to think of Jews.

Cause I'm trying to lower that.

Simone Collins: Oh, we haven't even touched on the nation of Islam, which is this huge, like what that's a

Malcolm Collins: part of historic black culture that people are not going to talk about. It's incredibly anti Semitic. There was a study Scheindler 1984 that, that 42 percent of blacks, opposed to 20 percent of whites, much power in the United a study in the 1970s, 73 percent opposed to 34 percent of whites, as high as possible on th That

Simone Collins: makes sense in a wor your ethnic group being systematically disadvantaged.

And you happen to see that so many of the people disproportionately. Empower our Jewish. Like, aren't you going to start getting

Malcolm Collins: worse? 81 percent in 1978. This was a [01:11:00] survey of quote unquote, black leaders said that quote, Jews choose money over people in quotes. I'm just saying maybe let's not bring back the antisemitism.

But I, well, what I would say is the based takes that I have seen from black community members. Like, who's the guy who everyone thinks is crazy. Who had all those base takes and was pro Trump. Oh, Kanye. Kanye. And he, he also tried to bring back the anti Semitic aspect. And I think that that's not, I think that you're right.

It's not intrinsic. And that it's not like necessarily something that needs to be tied to it. Well, I just

Simone Collins: think that, that any group that is systemically disadvantaged and any group that's just average is going to be a little bit suspicious of any other group that's disproportionately in a position of power, like vis a vis their general population representation.

Like, it's very easy to form conspiracy theories around that. And we've had, you know, detailed discussion about this. Actually, interesting

Malcolm Collins: part of traditional black culture is that it was very pro conspiracy theory.

Speaker 35: The computer! Another idea stolen from the black man. Did y'all know that George Washington [01:12:00] Carver made the first computer out of a peanut? A peanut? A peanut!

Malcolm Collins: Like, they, they were very conspiratorial and not trusting, in a, for good reason. Like, you look at, like, the Oh, God, the Tuskegee experiments or other things like that, like every reason to be, they had every right to be conspiratorial in their mindset. .

Speaker 35: GiVe me my money.

Speaker 36: My money. I don't care whose bank it is. Right. I know whose money is in it. Right. No, I'm keeping it real.

That's all I'm saying. High conspiracy, brother. High?

Speaker 37: What do you mean high? Like high yellow wanna be white? Huh? High like the white man wants to keep us? Huh? High?

Speaker 35: You ain't smell no weed on me, did

you?

Malcolm Collins: And I, I think that that's a part of black culture that still exists within the more, when I talk with my, like, more conservative traditionalist black friends, they're like super conspiratorial and it's kind of fun. Because it's also part of like Protestant culture or like the only other place where

Simone Collins: we've seen more conspiratorial stuff is like conservative conferences, but not, not [01:13:00] old guard, conservative conferences, new guard, conservative conferences.

Malcolm Collins: Actually, yeah, I would encourage like, black people who like, are uncertain about how accepted they will be within conservative groups. I'd really recommend they check them, like, just try going to one of the conferences. You'll expect

Simone Collins: to go finding a bunch of racist white nationalists and you'll end up finding a bunch of extremely welcoming people who are like, haven't you heard about the injections of the trans human modules into your blood veins by the

Speaker 2: vaccine?

I just completely demonetized this video with that, didn't I? I wish you could. We'll

Malcolm Collins: cut out the, the in part there, but yeah. No, I, that, that has been my experience. It's been really, really fun.

Simone Collins: Sorry. What do you want for dinner?

Or do you have a final statement about this? Like in, in some,

Malcolm Collins: no, in, in some. [01:14:00] It's mortifying that this happened and I think that so many people who are sort of like HBD bros and stuff like that. They'll point to all these crime statistics and Okay, there may be other cultural things at play here But I think the vast majority of this is caused by the fact that 70 percent of black kids are born to single parents When it used to be like about half the rate of white kids um, and that culturally they were destroyed and steamrolled, but that doesn't need to be persistent, that there is a coming back from this.

It just revolves sort of finding the scattered troops that are still tied to the original culture, bringing them together and then building better barriers for the next generation. So if

Simone Collins: this were a game of Clue, it was The urban monoculture in the seventies with rap.

Malcolm Collins: And I know that's so classic conservative, but like, I just, it [01:15:00] fits so well.

Simone Collins: And are we going to hell for doing this for raw dogging this? Yeah, we are.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, for raw dogging this episode. This was a, this was a dangerous move. But I think that most like black people who aren't brainwashed who watch this would be like, yeah, this is true.

Simone Collins: We're screwed. Anyway, I for for some Political campaign test ads.

Because you know, we're using our podcast as a means of people getting to know me as a candidate. I linked to our,

Speaker 2: our bears video because it's a really good one. And I'm like, they should get the good stuff.

Simone Collins: One woman commented like, are you serious? Are you really running for office? You're alienating yourself instantly from 50 percent of the population.

Cause the title is, are women dangerous? And I'm like, Yeah, I know. Like, we're never, we're never going to be able to see something run for office.

Malcolm Collins: I think, I think it will convince more people than you think it will. Things that create that [01:16:00] sort of emotional reaction, they get people to think. That's, that was my thought, you know, but, but why did you choose the bears video? That's for men only. I hope you tagged it men only. No. You shouldn't do

that.

Simone Collins: I think that offended women would watch it. That was my hope. We'll see. No, they won't. I'll chipped it then.

Malcolm Collins: You terrible woman. I

Simone Collins: love you. What do you want for dinner?

Malcolm Collins: I don't know. Something. Oh yes, I need to get rid of the meat.

So the meat.

Simone Collins: Oh yes, right. I'm doing that. Now, do you want it with Mexican street corn or with fried rice?

Malcolm Collins: Let's do Mexican street corn.

Simone Collins: I think that'll be fun. All right, we're on. I love you. If you would get the kids when 5 p. m rolls around, I'll get dinner ready. Sound good? All right. Bye. Bye.

Speaker 2: Before we start,

Malcolm Collins: you remember the graphs I showed you last time? You need to look shocked as if I'm showing you them [01:17:00] again this time. Okay. Hi. That's the way it works. And you go,

Oh,

Speaker 2: I wish record that and make it a ringtone.

Malcolm Collins: No, you got it. You got to include the little racist side thing.

Speaker 2: I mean, now you just sound like Princess Peach and she is supplanted from her car.

Malcolm Collins: Oh, no.

Simone Collins: Who did you play in Mario Karts?

Malcolm Collins: Who did I play?

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Well, I'm more familiar with a more recent one. I like the metal characters because I like the weight that they have.

Simone Collins: No, no, no. We're talking our childhoods. Like the last time I ever played video games.

You never chose, like, you just would go with them. A different one each time. You're [01:18:00] right. I guess

Malcolm Collins: variety, you know, me.

Simone Collins: Okay. Which one was I always?

Malcolm Collins: Prince's speech, I would guess for Bowser.

Speaker 2: Really? Okay.

Malcolm Collins: Jay

Speaker 2: Z. No, Yoshi. Oh, Yoshi is the best. That's amazing. He would make this sound sounded like a hot tour.

He was the original pack to Yoshi. Great, great character to play. All right, let's do it.