"The mainstream position is losing its steam and I think it's intentional," he says. "People are now latching on to the prevailing alternative narrative, which actually has scarier implications for the future" The idea that a one in a gazillion off chance that a virus jumps from a bat to a pangolin to a lady eating bat soup or whatever the fuck the story is? It's like a bad comic book script. Or, or, or there are a bunch of nefarious people who have taken this naturally occurring thing and weaponized it in a lab?"

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