Is There Something That You Only Get From Immersion?

I think a lot of it is from the experience of living and like working with systems like acme or dynamic land. I get something that can only come out of immersion. A lot of what i do is trying to provoke people and make these little sometimes they're demos, sometimes they 're just like, these striking images. Think it takes, it takes a lot of work to to make new user faces and new ways of computing. There are a lot of things that are in your way. Maybe we just have to work through it. Or maybe there can be better tools to help us program stuff.